S-Clarke

This is a very good point actually, it's the first time I've seen it mentioned. They went into the multi club buying model with a scattergun approach as well, it just seems to be how this lot operate sadly. At a even lower level just focusing on ourselves, they've jumped before they walk on most things - massive scattergun splurge in the summer, changing the structure internally, throwing out all the coaches etc. Whilst most people would agree that it wasn't perfect at Southampton, not by any means, they went into it like a bull in a China shop once they had the full keys. The chaos they've created has lead to our rapid decline. Everything they seem to do is incredibly scattergun and I'm still waiting for them to make a good decision.

No denying that he's part of our decline over the last few years, but he's one of our better options - although certain aspects of his make up do highlight our problems in my opinion (the crab like football, the lack of leadership on the pitch, not brave enough on the ball).

Adams will stay in the PL, he will get takers. He won't be here. I'd personally pay up Armstrong and Aribo, sure Armstrong may have done it at Blackburn for 1 season...but he doesn't fit here, he's never going to make it and if we try and prolong the Armstrong agony next year because he scored at that level before, then we're in for the Stoke/Swansea fun and games.

This is what I think, but....I keep looking at all the decisions and the choas that has reigned since they've been here. It's not all about money, it's how you use it. (Chelsea an extreme example). This is how the last year has played out: 1 - Keeping Ralph after they'd undermined his position in the summer. They should have cut bases then rather than do half the job with the coaches. 2 - Staff turnover - Crocker, Hale, Shields, Clapham, Butterfield, Davis, Watson, Fleming, Steele - huge turn over in staff. Shields and Clapham in particular in and out in a matter of weeks which rings serious alarm bells. As does the likes of Crocker and Hale walking. 3 - Transfer Window. Deciding to merge with the Man City academy, that was seemingly our main philosophy. We made the decision to stick with Adams and Armstrong as our strikers and that was catastrophic. I don't care if we 'tried' for Ramos and Gakpo, they were Hollywood attempts but even a Goykres in the summer would have left us in a better position than we were. 4 - Nathan Jones - need I say anymore. Someone thought he was a good idea and then proceeded to give him an entire 'pre season' and a transfer window to play with. 5 - Getting Marsch, but then not getting Marsch. Ending up going with the current yes man in Selles and thinking that was the right idea. 6 - 3 managers in a single season. So...what is happening under their tenure has so far been chaotic. I'm not against change and we did need change in some aspects, so they are trying things....but they're just doing it all wrong, it's like they have no experience of football and are trying to be overly clever and making everything 10x worse.

It shows up the rest of our 'players' that an 18 year old kid can come in and take more responsibility than any of them. Even Alcaraz as a 19 year old, he was poor last night giving the ball away, but he tries things, he takes responsibility to have an impact. These are kids showing up the nonsense we've had to put up with, and I include JWP in that.

Is that why he leaves him on the bench? It's very confusing. We adopt a long ball approach with Theo, Adam Armstrong and Ely as the attackers. Don't make any use of Onuachu at all or Mara. I feel a bit sorry for Onuachu - I know he's been called out as a Carillo etc, but I honestly don't think he's been given a chance. The attacking tombola changes are doing my head in, never a chance to build any relationships.

Hilariously I reckon it'll be the likes of Bednarek, Diallo etc jumping up and down not wanting to play Championship football, completely ignorant to the fact that they're part of the reason we are there.

That's an unknown. These same players lost to L2 Grimsby, struggled to Pens against L1 Sheffield Weds and sneaked through against Lincoln. I don't think they've shown anything to suggest they can even compete at a lower level, in fact it will be a wake up call for a lot of them. I think we need to be absolutely brutal this summer, if we have money from sales I'd be tempted to pay off contracts just to clear the deadwood out. We can't try and hang any positivity on the players that have consistently failed us.

You can't forget the setup against Forest at home though, that was a total ''WTF'' show. I have no idea what that was all about and we deservedly lost that one. Lumping balls down the channels all game to small players. Granted we did very similar tonight, but part of me is starting to wonder if this is what the players default to as their safety mode.

Yep, awful night that one. The performances haven't really got any better since that day either, over a year ago. We've lost most weeks since then. Same core - Bednarek, JWP, Adams, Armstrong etc. Flawed.

That's assuming they don't go up, you never know! Plymouth, Rotherham and such to enjoy though.

That's true, I think he has been really poor this year. I think confidence plays a factor and he's been part of this losing mentality for almost 18 months now, not just this season. I don't think he's had a proper partner down the right hand side though, I thought when we were at our best he linked up with Armstrong pretty well who'd allow the overlap etc. He's often isolated as our only attacking outlet, then gets caught, can't recover and the rest is history.

There are some pretty key games next weekend which may dictate how it ends. Bournemouth v Leeds on Sunday, Leicester v Everton on Monday. 'If' Bournemouth win they're sorted, if Leicester win they pull away onto 32 points and Everton will end up 5 points adrift (inc. GD) with 5 games to go. That would leave Everton with Brighton away, Man City at home, Wolves away and Bournemouth at home to potentially get 7/8 points from. I think a defeat at against Leicester will be curtains for them, funny to see but like you say potentially a bit of a kick in the teeth in terms of our hopes next year. Then it'll be down to Leicester, Forest and Leeds to battle it out for the last spot. Stranger things have happened, but it's starting to look like a tall order for Everton given their remaining games.

We are very good at one thing - being consistently shit. We've mastered that at least. Must be due another record at some point.

This is it to me, mentally weak players. Look at how we fold when something bad happens, goal against us etc. This isn't a new thing, this has been happening for years. No manager is blameless here, it's a very confusing managerial season, but for me these players should take the brunt. This isn't not a new experience, no matter who is in charge.

They should fricking pay us to go. £21 per hour wage should do it.

They at least went down with a bit of fight with their caretaker, we won't even make 30 points. The way we are surrendering is already eroding any potential positivity I had for next season.

Nah, I wouldn't want to tarnish him with these wankers. Let him live on the glory of the Fontes/Chaplows/Rickies/Hammonds etc. He doesn't deserve to have to manage this lot. We're in a bit of an odd position really, need to start planning for next year but it's hard to that until we start shifting the rats, which we can't do until the season is over. It's a shame we can't start doing it now really.

It's going to be tight for Everton, more so than last season in my opinion. Pretty clear now that it's two from Everton, Leeds, Forest, Leicester now. I think Forest will struggle, last slot is a slog out between the 3 teams you'd probably least expect to be relegated. There will be a surprise one this year.

I'd have Jono quick over Adam Armstrong. Danny N'Guessan would get in before Elyounoussi as well. You watch us offer new contracts to both of them, just watch.

Worst performance of my lifetime, in a game where we needed to show some guts and effort we produced the most pathetic showing of 'football' i have quite simply ever seen. Forest at home was bad, but it wasn't as 'last chance saloon' as this one - but we still didn't show up. Rickie, Hammond, Fonte, Chaplow, Guly, Morgan, Lallana, Kelvin will be wanting to kill those bunch of tossers. All the hard work those guys put in to get us where we were has been undone by the most pathetic bunch of wankers we have ever seen.

When you think you've seen the worst of these tossers, they produce that. Honestly, worst performance of my lifetime that one. Just because of what was 'potentially' on it (although unlikely, we needed to make an effort of it). But it was gutless, wimpy and just same old. I don't know what we are, what we're trying to do, or what goes through those players minds. This has the feeling of a really, really, really catastrophic relegation that we may never recover from. Bournemouth and Brighton will both be in a higher division than us next season, whilst our South Coast derby will be against Plymouth. Let that sink in for a second. Sack the lot of them.

Easily worse, 10x worse. There's nothing good about this side, horrible dislikeable bunch of losers.

This is the sort of performance which makes me fear next season to be honest, this performance is catastrophic at so many levels.

That was a better lot, this lot is the worst of the worst. They will proudly live in the realm of our worst ever PL players. All of them.