S-Clarke

Some of the crap sent to him on social media was a disgrace, ''i hope you get cancer, so you don't have to pass the ball anymore for us'' was a significant low point. Although we all know they're not fans. Sadly that's twitter for you, the cesspit of society with weirdos looking for a reaction to 'extreme' opinions or posts. He's better coming off of it.

Nah, i wouldn't read anything into it what so ever. The most obvious takeaways for me is that you have to play your best players (i.e KWP, Armstrong(s), Adams, Fraser, Downes, THB etc). We didn't do that yesterday for a start. And the other takeaway is that we'd need to purchase attackers of the right quality, our approach play last night was pretty much spot on and it showed what you can get out of the way we play - but the quality at the top end killed us. I reckon we'd have done better with Fraser in there.

yep, very much that as well. He doesn't seem to know how to use his 'tools', so it's all pretty ineffective really. Like Usain Bolt trying to be a footballer because he's quick.

I know he won a WC, but his career still feels like an absolute waste. I imagine he'll retire now.

He keeps making those schoolboy mistakes by staying logged into the wrong account. I wonder who his positive persona is? always?

wtf are Stoke up to? I didn't realise they'd invested into their team at those levels. If they go down they are ruined.

I don't understand why we're calling out Bazunu in a thread about a game in which he didn't feature in? He wasn't even on the bench, yet people are still digging him out?

Yeah I think he does have technical ability, he has some skill in his locker - he just doesn't seem to know what to do with it half the time, that's his biggest issue imo and why he'll never really amount to much at the top level.

Thought I'd bump this on the back of his performance tonight. I thought we used him well, he kept wide and stretched their team - the spaces in their team in the first half were massive, and we were exploiting that and his pace was adding genuine threat and danger every time we got forward. But...the biggest criticism I will continue to lay at his door is his lack of any footballing brain. He's quick, decent skill, good technical ability...but all of that means sod all if you don't play the pass at the right time, see the opportunity to cross, know when to shoot or know when to hold off etc. Exactly the same has to be said of Edozie and Mara as well, they're young but they need to start developing a deeper understanding of football. It's not just about speed and skill.

Decent attackers, we score at least 1 goal, maybe 2. The approach created those moments, it was the quality in the final third which killed us - not the way we played. An inexperienced Liverpool, who still included McAlistair, Gakpo, Gomez, Timaskis, VVD, Elliott, Konate in their team at varying points - not exactly a bunch of never heard of players, just saying.

You don't have to be a genius to sniff out the narrative in your post - not just yours by the way, was a general observation. The undertone is very odd. We went 25 games unbeaten playing the same way, if we want to rip it all up again and start from scratch after 2 or 3 iffy results then that's just odd imo. As I said, there are seemingly people who have been waiting very impatiently in the background since September to ramp back up again.

If we come out of these 2 league defeats in a row without KWP and Fraser then that is going to conclude an absolute season defining disaster for us. Fingers crossed KWP is fine.

He had a good game, was caught out a few times, but positionally he was much better than Smallbone. The biggest takeaway from Charles inclusion was how much better and 'free' Rothwell was.

We lost to Liverpool, it was inevitable. Nothing about this result puts any credence on the ''Martin Out'' chat which people are so, so, so desperate to get going.

First half was decent, so was the start of the second half. But the result was pretty much guaranteed when we didn't take our chances, we just lacked any real quality in the attacking third - and that will kill you at any level. We approached it well, brave on the ball, did get caught out a few times. Some of our build up and play through the two thirds was great, but it was the lack of any real ability at the top end which killed us. I thought Stephens had a good game, but that was prime PL Bednarek out there for their first goal. Rothwell was decent I thought. Most of our threat came through Sulemana, but that's all it was - threat, no real punch at the end of it. Mara did hold the ball up well and bring others into play, but he was pretty shit as our top end threat which is why we lost ultimately. Not really much to learn from this one really, always an inevitable result and the proverbial free hit. We gave a good account of ourselves, but the lack of quality in our attack made it look more comfortable for Liverpool than it should have been. Worried about KWP - hope it was just a precaution, if he's out injured for any period of time then this game is going to end up being pivotal for our season for all the wrong reasons.

He's just a bit clinical isn't he! Luton have given the best account of themselves compared to the other 2 promoted sides this year, but up against the best they are so, so limited and so out of their depth in a defensive point of view.

Our most effective wide player of the season imo. If you class Adam Armstrong as a striker, then none of our other wide options have come close to his output.

The general feeling amongst the fan base for many years is that the away fans where they are is a bit crap, this isn't a new opinion and has been doing the rounds for years. The proposed location is the only place they could relocate them to, and to add to that - both ends of the ground have home fans behind the goal, the away fans are tucked into the corner. I guess the people upset by this are the ones who will be forced to move or change their personal arrangements arriving and exiting the stadium, as I imagine the chapel shortcuts may be off bounds at times - but those are just individual personal gripes, for the majority this is a very positive move.

We should ask Millwall for some compensation. Dirty fuckers, horrible team.

Yeah, it's a crazy thought. Not going to happen. Neither are the manager choices you've named.

They were awful, they didn't play football and had no intention to come and paly football. They just came to kick us off the pitch and scrap for set plays. Look at what they did to Edozie as soon as he was on the pitch to replace the stricken Fraser, they just took him out. I could never accept supporting a club who actively played that way.

The standard of Chelsea's team, after spending £1bn on it, is absolutely horrific. They have overspent on every single one of their signings. Jackson was linked to us and Bournemouth, because we are his level - Chelsea need to be aiming better than players like him, but no they focused on him and spent £35m on him to top it off. Lavia had a good season with us but was still growing, he was not worth £60m - yet they felt they'd spunk that on him. The pointless uneducated splurge they have made in the transfer market has probably killed their top of the table competitiveness for a generation. FFP will strangle them for a long time now, whilst the others just get further away.

RIP - Sad news. Before my time in both playing and managerial roles, but he was only 77 - way too young to go.

No point arguing with Fabrice, he'd be getting behind the return of Jermaine Wright if we signed him tomorrow to play as CB. There's nothing wrong with emotion in football, in fact it's critical - but it's how you handle it and contain it, Martin doesn't seem to be able to contain his emotion and is the type who becomes very spikey and incredibly defensive when things don't go to plan. He's not a good enough manager to be like that IMO.

For me the priority is sorting the horrific defending out - the last 3 or so weeks it's been so bad. Back to September levels. There was even a moment yesterday where Millwall had 6 on 3, that should never happen in professional football. We scored against Bristol City, Hull and Millwall - better defending in all 3 and the scene is different, changes the whole mood as well. We've been playing catchup in every game since Huddersfield because of our shit defending. We will always score goals, but something has gone to the shit with the defensive structure. (cue Downes)