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We will if we lose again. This is the toughest division in the English league. Dropping 6 points in a season and we will be back in div three. That is why something needs to be done, urgently. We should organise a march. Meet at the Bargate an hour before the next home game and march to SMS to show them what we really think.

Just three?? We need a whole new squad before the window closes or it is straight back down for us. We lost to Leicester 3-2 FFS. If we can't beat them at their place then Cortese should rip up all the players contracts and start again. And don't even get me started on our physio-turned-manager. Pathetic. If we lose again before Christmas then our season is well and truly over and all us suckers who bought STs have just wasted our money.

Look fella. With the investment in the club, 12 million from sale of nipper, our massive and loyal fanbase and world-class facilities we should have already won the Champions League - twice! - put 8 Challenge Cups in the trophy cabinet and beaten Neptune Athletic in the Solar System final 8-0. We are SFC, FFS.

I too was at Leicester. The bubble hasn't just burst: we were out played in every department and made to look like the div three side we were. Our players all looked totally out of their depths, were just marking time and frankly it was an embarrassment. How they can sleep at night after such a shoddy performance is beyond me. Yes, the bubble is burst. Personally I don't think it was ever truly inflated Lowe out.

Consistency is what I am after! Maybe you are not consistent. This Anders chappie had some political views - whatever they are - and acted on them. If he was a country, a 'sovereignty' then we might tut-tut him and raise objections at the UN but that would be that. No Cathedral prayers, no candle vigils. No hour-long tv news broadcasts. Just the normal way of prosecuting one's national interests. But send in the RAF on 2000+ bombing missions and hey, I'll drink to that! Whooppee!!!! You want consistency? Can you please explain why they are morally different? They are not. That is why I am dead to it all. Emotionally. I honestly can't feel for the dead in Norway or their families. I'm sorry. So what. They're dead. I'm still alive. My government murders in my name and with my tax pounds. Who gives a ****. Do you honestly have a better suggestion?

you explain it. where does the 'protecting our security' end and the 'murder' begin. I lost the ability to transmit irony in my writings more than 10 years ago whilst in the middle of the then largest refugee camp in the world. All the NGOs and UN people buzzing about in their air-coned wagons while 30,000 people drank their own sewage. Don't ****ing talk to me about irony.

Do you think the politicians should be tried for murder too? Should they? Will they? No. Doubt they will. Because we all hide behind the whole Sovereignty thing. BS. Maybe Anders was acting in his own Sovereignty. How dare anyone criticize him while we are dropping bombs on innocent children. If he is guilty then so are we. Or does that confuse your pious, righteous mind? Its ok in your mind to kill brown babies in sand country, but blond girls in Norway is off limits? How sick.

Oh give over. Democracy? What the **** is that? You don't actually believe in that crap do you? I'm not spitting in anyone's face. I have just about lost it with all this pious bull****. Happens every ****ing time. People live for at most 80 years, sh.it once a day and are flesh and blood and yet think that some how what happens 'in their name' is 'just' and everything else is not. Perhaps that is how this Anders chap felt. **** me. So the chap killed a few people. Terribly sad. More people were killed in the EU yesterday in road accidents - going to arrest the motor industry? Put him out of harms reach and carry on. Just ****ing spare me the crocodile tears. At least until the war planes are back, the soldiers are back from Afghanistan and my tax pounds are no longer killing innocent people under the news radar. I'm sorry. I used to be able to care about these events. I can't anymore. It would be deeply hypocritical. Sleep well Anders, God bless. Sleep well RAF pilots/Prime minister. God bless.

my deep irony, sarcasm is lost on you. And I meant 'lune'. Stands for 'lunatic'. One who howls at the moon.... Cheer him on? sure. Why not. I cheer on our 'boys and gals' when they come home from a killing spree in Afghanistan, so why not cheer him on.

yes. so what? My point is that everyone appears to be 'outraged' or 'sickened' or 'saddened' or '...' Well, we kill. Just as Anders did. He had the courage of his convictions. Our taxes too are put to work killing in our 'best interest'. There is nothing different between a bullet entering the head of a young person on that Norwegian island and a 1000lb bomb detonating 10 yards away from a wholly innocent young family in Libya - killing them all. No difference what is so ever. None. Anyone who thinks there is, or anyone who thinks this topic should not be spoken of is just wrong. The pilots in the RAF jets who release the bombs are not to blame even though it is their thumb on the trigger. But be in no doubt they are part of the plot to murder just as was Anders. The RAF pilots are just the munchkins. It is the puppet-master in Downing Street who is to blame. One phone call to the relevant Air Marshall and murder is done. Murder from 10,000 feet. But Anders is the real criminal.... he is the face we can all hate. He is the target to take our revulsion at human-on-human killing. Quick! Slight of hand! No one will notice! Bombs away! Whoops, sorry. Never mind, your six month old daughter is in ten lifeless pieces but we are 'virtuous'. We are acting on 'intelligence'. We are 'good'. Sorry! We are so British! God Save The Queen!

oh well done. Yes, that should let you sleep better tonight. Got no problem then about the RAF killing innocent children? Prefer to keep it off the news, off the radio, off the forum? Swept under the carpet? Better that way, I guess. And then you can tuck your self in at night and think everything is just swell in the world and anyone who says it isn't is just 'attention seeking'. Yeah, sleep tight. We are sooo much better than that Anders chappie. We do our killing from 10,000 feet! Open your idiot eyes

ahhh. but why should I be banned? For what infraction? Merely my opinion - dark and depressing as it is? would that be a way to run a subscription-based ltd company? I doubt directors of Saints Web would think so. Heckle me and hate me all you wish. I am so numb to life and her sensitivities that I just don't care. This Norwegian chap had the courage of his convictions and he did it. Bravo. Blair had the courage of his convictions... and he did it Bush had the courage of his convictions... and he did it Cameron had the courage of his convictions.... and he sent in the bombers to kill. Yes kill. Oh, but no! This blond good-looking Norwegian is the evil one! Crazy. Cameron sent RAF bombers to bomb a village 4 weeks ago. 8 people, including 3 kids were killed. It was a 'wrong target'. How much press did it get? None. How 'wrong' was it? One man, all powerful with an awesome array of military hardware at his disposal... did the 'power' go to Cameron's head? Did it? No.... Because he is spending our tax/death pounds. So we won't criticize him. He bombs innocent families who are just curling up for the night and he is 'Our Hero!!' And the RAF are 'Our Boys!!'. Yeah. But one man acting alone on similar convictions is the evil one. **** off. Cameron, Blair, Bush, Anders. All the same. So don't get on your ****ing high horse about right and wrong. Our taxes killed innocent people only a few weeks ago. So what if some Norwegian lune pops a few? Don't give it all croc-tears. Here you are: Kids. Innocent, by virtue of the fact they are infants. Killed by your and my tax pounds. Tax pounds converted into bombs and dropped from a war plane. And still, I ask: Anders is the evil one? The source here is Russia Times, one of the few critical news organizations left, asks the hard questions.

so you are immortal? Do you have any ****ing idea what life is? Do you?

Anders Behring Breivik has owned up to the fact that he planted the bomb in Oslo which killed 7 people. And he also has owned up to shooting 92 dead on an island near Oslo. Now, while most people will be typically quick to judge him as 'evil' I would like to offer a different view-point. I think he is a hero. And here is why: How many of us plan further than 3 meals ahead? How many of us care what lies beyond the next pay day? Seriously, ask yourself this. In Anders Breivik is a man who not only planned for months, but willingly gave himself up too; knowing that he would spend a long time in prison. Sad as it is that the people he killed died, they were eventually going to die anyway. As will he. As will you reading this. As will I. We all die, it is only a game anyway. At the very least Anders had the balls to stand up and do what he felt was right. Fair play to the chap. The rest of us, we just roll along as if... 'oh! the next iGadget! Whoppee! That will make me look cool!'.. never mind that you will have to defecate just like the animals, think you are cool now? Anders, you ****ed up weirdo! I salute you! Good on yer, pity you didn't get a century. Humanity doesn't deserve this planet. We all have to die, so who cares how it happens. All the crocodile tears by the uber-consumers: please! please! please! conserve my life as long as possible! Give me lotions and potions and plastic surgery to cheat death! Pathetic, weeping humans. We all die. There is no reason we should care about someone dieing aged 16 on a Norwegian island more than an 87 year old dieing in a puddle of her own excrement in an unheated house in Britain. Life is for living. If it means dieing at someone else's hands then so be it. Anders won, you tossers on that island didn't. That's life. That's death. That is it.

just spent 2 months Post-Rent-And-Post-Everything-else earnings on my ST. FFS Don't ***** at me that only 8,000 turned up for a pre-season game.... ...And I won't ***** about the genuinely crap attendance on Tuesday night games when we loyals do make the effort. ****s sake. If more people got so wound up about attendance during the season then we loyal fans who turn out day-in, day-out to support our lads - many of us coming from many miles away - wouldn't be so lonely in the dark Tuesday nights of league one.

No. Someone who plans such an attack is thinking perfectly straight. Perfectly rationally. They are focused, determined and know exactly what they are doing and in their minds they have a very rational explanation for why they are doing it. The idea that they are nutters or mentally ill is very wrong.

really? what was so shambolic? who was he?

Totally straight up. I have never heard of her. I've just listened to some of her music on spotify and some of it I have heard before on the radio in passing, just never had her name go with it. To be honest its not my sort of music so and I don't read the tittle-tattle press so why should I have heard of her?

yeah. And this nurse who has been charged with killing those patients. still, at least we are going well in the cricket

He wasn't a nutter. He carefully planned it all in advance. It wasn't the case of someone losing it and blasting the crap out of a crowd. He was/is completely sane. And probably, in his head, gutted that he didn't get a century.

maybe the chinese aren't so omnipotent in the area of engineering. Sad.

I've just looked her up on wikipedia. Apparently she was a pop singer? Was she big? Totally serious here, I've never heard of her until I read about her death on bbc news website.

Who's Amy Winehouse? Seriously, never heard of her.

Well, I guess you will need to take off the rose tinted spectacles before you can look objectively at the NEF's work. A closed mind is not an intelligent mind. Are you telling me you don't know what the physical economy is? Really? Try running a service-based economy with out physical things or energy. You mention I should read 'economic theory'. Believe me, I have! I am very well educated in the status-quo economics. Maybe the difference between you and me is that I am prepared to question the assumptions which have dictated the global economics debate. I have an open mind on these issues, maybe you should attempt to expand yours just a bit too? Now to the 'basic flaw in zero growth economic' you talk of. If you bother to actually read some of the NEf's work (it will mean getting your hands clapping a little bit ) then you will soon realise that we advocate the developed nations ceasing growing their economies so that the poor nations can. But this is a side issue. Up until now I have never mentioned the poor. Not because I don't care about them, but that it is not the over-arching issue at stake. The salient point here is that we are a species living on a resource-constrained planet. And at the moment we are consuming those precious resources at an unprecedented rate in the forlorn belief that 'resources don't matter'. Which is self-evident in your post because you appear to have such a hard time understanding what the physical economy is! Too much Julian Simon methinks, not enough Adam Smith. I leave you with the following quote: "You can't reason someone out of a position they didn't reason themselves into". Might I dare to suggest that you have formed your economic standpoint as an article of faith, rather than reason? Ps: how money is (or is not) linked to the physical is for another time. But just think about all those financial instruments floating around out there. All with 'legal' commitments, man-made commitments upon which real people are basing their assumption of future prosperity. Now try assigning each of these man-made instrument promises to the physical resources which people need to exist. What does classical economics teach us about this? The intersection between money and resources is very interesting, and not what most people are led to believe.

Sorry, but I don't have the time to go into detail about how muddle headed you are here. But please don't be fooled into thinking that the service economy is somehow divorced from the physical economy. It most certainly is not. All this talk of 'intellectual property' etc is hokum. We are a consumer-driven economy. Just because our portion of global GDP is tilted heavily in favour of design does not mean that the iGadgets etc don't end up being made somewhere with, guess what, prodigious amount of physical resources - most notably energy and complex molecules derived from oil. We will have to accept a net aggregate zero-growth strategy whether we like it or not. I never said the ratio between resources and growth is 1:1 but it doesn't need to be. However, it is always a positive correlation and once you throw exponential growth into the equation the ratio actually matters little. Resource-based is not 'caveman economics'. It is the sort of economics espoused by Adam Smith, of all people, who appreciated full well that the economy was not a human construct but part of the natural world. Fully integrate with the natural resource base. Don't be so naive as to think that human beings are omnipotent. Wishful thinking and voodoo economics (of the Julian Simon variety) will not create a single atom of anything. You need to spend some open-minded time studying this. I would suggest you start reading the (free) publications from the New Economics Foundation available here: http://www.neweconomics.org/ Ps: are you really saying that 'financial services' are a boon to our economy? That is cute!