scotty

If you ever see one you'll change your mind sharpish.

That is absolutely brilliant. I wish i'd thought of it.

well come on then, spill the beans. We're all friends here, and I wont tell on you

Thats the point, right there. Until youve actually seen a ghost, its near impossible to believe they exist. When I was 22 and living in a flat in Stoke, I woke up early which is unusual for me. I had one of those digital alarm clocks, wondered why I was awake before it had gone off, looked at the clock and saw it was 5:58. I sat up and had a drink of water, then saw some movement at the foot of the bed. There was a man sitting on the bed, pulling a rope or a cord from between the bed and the wall, absolutely as clear as day, no less real than this keyboard I'm typing on. I said something like "what the f*ck do you think youre doing here", and he turned to look at me. I couldnt understand how he'd broken in, and looked towards the windows, which were intact and closed. When I looked back he'd gone. I looked at the clock again, which read 6:01. I thought of phoning the police, but went downstairs to check the front door, which was still closed and with the chain on. The windows were also closed, and with the interior handles down, so he could not have climbed out of any of them, and in any case there would not have been time. I was sufficiently scared by this that for three solid months after it happened I got a mate to see me into the flat every night. I did phone the police later that day, and a policeman came round and confirmed that it was impossible for anybody to have broken in and got out leaving the door and windows as they were, and that there was no sign of forced entry.

lmao!

Well chuffed for AFC! Shows what can be done when the fans put their minds to it. Roll on the Red Rebels turning over ManUre in a few years time!!!!!!!!! Hope I live to see that one....

Dont tell me you slept with her before you're married?????

Bit of a waste of a few billion years of evolution then, wasnt it.

Good call, I'm with you on that one.

Well, its here Havent heard anything yet, but I have the front door locked and my phone off the hook. What are you sinners planning to do with your last hours?

This is getting boring. So you absolutely believe that our civilization is the pinnacle of all knowledge and understanding, and that if we, together with our current scientific knowledge and capabilities of comprehension, are unassailable, and therefore if we cannot definitively prove the existence of a God, (or whatever you want to call it,) then it simply cannot exist?

Science is looking for the Higgs Boson as we speak. Havent found it yet though.

this. Its like arguing about a colour none of us have ever seen.

So a load of atoms just got exploded by the Big Bang, which in itself was a random event generated from nothing, and we ended up with this situation where the atoms randomly arranged themselves in such a way as to produce sentient creatures?

somehow, I can believe thats the type of site Dog subscribes to

I think I can safely say its none of the above. Oh, and turks, somebodys stolen your old avatar, take a look at that site I mentioned, the Corner...

I look at it this way. If there was actually a creator, someone or something that arranged things so that life in the way we understand it could exist on this planet, its obvious that this particular entity is a long way ahead of us in terms of knowledge, understanding and ability, and therefore it would be nigh on impossible for us to get our heads round the nature of it, describe it, or define it. And you come back to the circular argument of why the hell are we here? Given the sheer improbability of us existing at all to be here and arguing the point, what prompted life to exist? Somebody mentioned the infinite number of monkeys theory, but thats something the scientists do seem to have cracked; the universe is not infinite. It is measurable and quantifiable, and we know how much mass and energy it contains, so infinity is no longer a viable explanation.

According to one source, the Flying Teapot will be discovered by mankind in 2032. Make of that what you will.

When I mentioned the possibility of other dimensions, I meant it in a scientific sense, not a theological one. Its possible for example that there are other physical dimensions in which our concepts of space, time and distance are utterly irrelevant, hence the comparison I made earlier about fish in a bowl being unable to conceptualise anything outside of it. I have no idea whether or not God exists, I assume in twenty or thirty years time I'll find out one way or the other. In the meantime it seems pointless to dismiss the people who've gone before us and obviously did give some credence to the concept simply on the basis that science has yet to prove or disprove it.

That we're still talking about the event, whatever it was, today. You seemed to dismiss its importance, or relevance to this thread.

Theres the conundrum. Scientists not so many centuries ago believed that the earth was flat, and that we were at the centre of the universe. Would you accept the concept or possibility of physical dimensions of which we are unaware and incapable of perceiving? And does our being unaware of them preclude their existence? Scientists right now are working on quantum physics experiments in the LHC, looking for particles that make up the unknown mass of the universe, dark matter, (which happens to be greater than what we actually know about or have thus far proved to exist.) Science is the way to go, I agree, but to say that we havent demonstrated something up to now and therefore it cant exist is ridiculous. Ive read a few books on quantum physics, and the science in those raises more questions than answers.

So to summarise; a/ You believe in God, and probably an afterlife. b/ You believe there is no God, and there is no afterlife, and that our existence is simply a fluke. c/ You couldnt give a flying f*ck either way. d/ You do give a flying f*ck, but have accepted that you wont actually know for definite until you die, at which point you will find out for sure one way or the other. I pretty much fall into category d myself.

Dont apologise, I enjoyed that. Its worth mentioning that for some reason, drinks in general taste different depending on where youre drinking them. We were in portugal and the local lager, Bock, was absolutely fantastic tasting. So much so that I brought a few bottles home, even chilled from the fridge they tasted of nothing here. Ive even bought them since then, Makro have them and not the usual "brewed under licence by whitbread", actual imports from portugal, same thing. My mrs cant function without her morning shot of Lavazza espresso, we used to have a flat in spain. She even packed lavazza bought in england, plus a flask of uk semi-skimmed hahahaa, she swore it wasnt anything like the taste in the uk.

Thats easily arranged, just hop a flight to thailand. As for their technique, a mate once did just that and took a "girl" back to his hotel then found out she was packing meat instead of lettuce. I asked what the hell did you do then, he said I just flipped her over and did her up the wrongun. I boggled a bit and said what do you mean, "her", he said by that point it was too late to be fussy