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12 people unanimously dismissed all prosecution evidence in no time at all. :scared: Mmmm. If that example of court justice is anything to go by, pompey will comfortably trade their way into the play-offs.

Penny's latest outburst - ‘I’m confident HMRC will meet with the football club, it’s now just a matter of setting a date.’ Don't worry love, the date is already set, and HMRC are looking forward to it more than pompey. As for the other MP's government should buy fratton park nonesense - just a desperate attempt to hang onto votes as the ship sinks. I told them to buy it but they wouldn't, poor us, everyone else's fault etc Tip of the Day - Get Plan B up and running, and soon.

its that denial again - the club is where it is because of the management in the last year!! It was obvious to a retarded chimp with extra special learning difficulties that quality over quantity was a recipe for insolvency - even us nutjobs on here pointed that out when it started - the kitman's son knew that, even Ho's ITK who he sees every few weeks socially must have had reservations about the policy! But not the boss, with the full support of the fans he brought in loads of overpaid players, outbidding proper businesses and annoying other managers along the way. Lampitt sanctioned crazy contracts that the business couldn't sustain, so no one should pretend that this is history catching up, it's the present. But the nasty owners lost their funding, it wasn't our fault, again... They were criminals on day one when you got into bed with them, what did you think would happen?? It was the frickin mafia for god's sake, they were always going to get caught or kill someone, either way it wasn't good company to be in! It was also very clear that if someone serves a winding up petition they are serious about getting their money, so not attempting to raise any last week was an aggressive act likely to harden the resolve of the taxman - one might suggest that it looks like Lampitt flicked the Vs at HMRC. There is no sympathy for a business that portrays itself as a victim when the facts suggest otherwise. Ditto the fans - if you want the cup you can't distance yourself from the criminality that surrounded the purchase - nor rewrite the timeline to avoid earlier wrongdoing. Many of the few slag off Redknapp and the arms dealer, the guys that bought the cup - you can't be selective about which bit of history you want to keep.

thanks Hutch, the whole thing is becoming so complex it is beyond the layman - but it won't stop Mr Layman offering a strong opinion! Harry - to be found guilty or not? I lean towards yes, but with a feeble sentence, and no knock on effect for a club blatantly riddled with financial irregularities for a decade. While the dog, as instigator of the whole scam, will be given 10 years.

I said Surman accepted reality, which was to leave the club he wanted to play for rather than sit tight and have his contract paid up in full. I see a difference between him and the likes of Ben Haim who has taken root and will be the last item that has to be forcibly removed so the bulldozers can go in. No doubt when he's chained himself to the last dregs of his ridiculous contract in the south stand he'll be hailed as a plucky hero standing up to the developers. Come on then fellow nutjobs, who do we think is really in pole position to manipulate the business to where they want it? The taxman thinks he is in control but Chanrai is flying in to sort it all out. Chanrai has been in charge since he initially loaned the money and claimed the business, he was fully in control right the way through admin and beyond, even when CSI thought they were in charge - but I'm not sure that he's exactly where he wants to be now... AA has been looking after his boss since he became involved, ignoring creditors ever since he took responsibility for looking after creditors, but he couldn't make transfers happen last week - is he losing grip of the situation? Lampitt has been toothless and inept - he's a soppy boy who is sulking because his local paper reporting the truth. His decisions, overspending, ignoring alarm bells, have driven the business to the brink - and he seems to have no power. HMRC were fully in control at the start of admin but lost it to AA fairly quickly. They have control now, but can they hold onto it this time? That sudden mention of £17M from CSI was perhaps an initial attempt by AA to introduce another imaginary debt for future use to outvote the taxman if required, but I don't think it can get to that this time. So who will win this power struggle? AA has been surprisingly clever in the past, he and Chanrai have shafted allcomers against the odds. We won't know for a bit as they might have something extraordinary up their grubby little sleeves, but I reckon the duo's grip is slipping and it is advantage taxman. Likely outcome? IMO, taxman drops the ball again, AA pulls out a rabbit, CVA fails to happen, business limps on, terminally damaged, crawling towards a parachute payment. No punishment, more pain for the few - no clear outcome, no one happy.

its funny how the players who refused to leave are being hailed as loyal heroes when in fact it was selfish in the extreme. The club is desperate for cash, you just need to agree terms, but a legally-operating club can't match your current wage. Also your agent tells you that your contract will be paid up in full if the club goes pop - it could be a massive money spinner for you - so sit tight. If the club is liquidated the likes of Kitson and Ben Haim will be quids in and able to find new clubs on a free with a signing on fee. No greedy player will shift under those circumstances - and they didn't. Loyalty? Yeah right. We survived in some part due to Surman accepting reality, and the generosity of Leon Crouch - pompey seem to have neither a player willing to take one for the club, nor a fairy godfather.

without wanting to sound too positive I reckon our squad will be in better shape that many around us once we get a couple back from injury. We lose Fox, Harding steps straight in - we have three good centre backs, we now have good cover up front, we have choices in midfield. And perhaps even our reserve keeper has got his worst career moment out of the way early doors. I do hope so. With games coming thick and fast there are some clubs out there with less cover, and they must be dreading an injury or two. We look to have some depth - very similar to last season when as the pressure built, even a ludicrously-dogged Huddersfield couldn't stop us.

Perhaps the loan shark bunged the wages money across only to discover that HMRC immediately said, 'thank you very much, we'll have first shout on that'. Quite funny if the taxman or courts could keep intercepting further 'wages' loans and sorting creditors. The club purchase price increases, Chinny's losses increase, the greedy players go unpaid - win-win-win! More likely scenario is that Lapitt begged for help to cover December wages and assured the loan shark that it was a minor cashflow issue, he could fund January through sales - and then for some crazy business-sinking reason, didn't bother. I seem to recall Chanrai getting a little stitched not long after he first became involved - Storrie promised some income to him within months, a due transfer fee perhaps? But it was already needed elsewhere? Wasn't it something like, lend us £17M and you'll get £4M back fairly sharpish?...but it didn't happen. Storrie's note to self - Don't cross loan sharks. They survived against all odds last time, so I fear AA will pull something miraculous out of a hat - but I just don't think he even has a hat this time, so I don't know how he's going to do it.... The parachute payments must be the only thing that keeps the Chinster interested, but I don't think he can get at them without shredding the club in one big hit - and then they won't cover his claims. He would need all of them plus the ground and assets, odd. As for AA, there must be a limit to how far a special handshake gets you in the court system, he must run out of 'luck' soon. They are right in a corner, and even if he does allow them to continue to trade, the club name and any shred of reputation is finished. The clear breaches of FL regulations relate to insolvent trading, insolvency events - and that's before we find out if the club was responsible for tax-evasion. If they start life in the Championship next season, something will have gone very wrong at the top of our sport.

I have -5 on the thermometer - I'd be very surprised to see their game go ahead - it'll be down to the ref ignoring Lampitt on his knees begging for it to be played. Yes there is season ticket money already in, but that is only released to them when they play each game. Add in the lost walk ups which should be significant when you are asking people to Pack the Park, the refreshments, shop sales etc, and staff need paying as some are already at work - postponement would be quite a blow to income at the most unfortunate time.

naughty Gemmel in failure to read all 1027 pages before posting shock! Despite that bombshell, Cala vocalising his lunacy was funny, and worth a second airing, so fair play to both posters. I have chuckled out loud quite a few times of late, the worse it gets, the funnier the gags on here. The judge in his Saints 125 kit was good, as was AA saying everything is fine - and that photo of a rather odd boyband trio pointing at the camera and demanding their wages from poor people. So much material, so little time left to mock. If I'm ever depressed I shall just think of Harry in his courtroom artist impression, twitching like....well, Harry on a tax charge, and it'll make me smile like Avram in the transfer window, getting the nod from the chairman to splash out on youth. Where's Ho? He's always good for a chuckle. He isn't out tonight socialising (as in every few weeks) with someone plucky and bestest giving him top ITK action is he? - maybe he should ask the well-connected kitman's son, he's bang on the money too! How about all the few just admit that they haven't got a clue what is happening but it does look like the club has been multi-gang-raped by criminals and they were all taken in and now look a little bit silly. And they're all sorry for talking crap for the past ten years. Mmmmm? It would be a start.

as the current club is damaged beyond repair I'm happy to respect the Plan B project. A fresh club run correctly, competing on a level playing field - that would be most refreshing and deserving of respect. Sadly, within five minutes I fear we would be treated to more spitting hate from the new club's followers. The same retards who were behaving sub-human at Fratton this season - I'm not sure that dentally-challenged, cross-eyed, inbred simpletons wholly embrace the concept of inter-club harmony. Remember, they are a club for local people. It's a nice idea that we are all football fans and should gather to give each other support, but IMO it isn't realistic. Too much has gone under the bridge and there is absolute hatred from some sections - and anyone who lives on the frontline knows what I mean. That's why this thread is so long - normal (and some less normal) Saints fans have been riled by years of delusion and abuse - this is Judgement Thread, and it's great! I said a million pages back that it all changed for me the night they abused Ted Bates, that's when they really came onto my radar. Shouting insults in front of a deam man's family? - their arrogance and lack of class has fuelled this thread. Minus 10 in scumtown - the scummers are going down, dance on their graves. Well Ted is still standing there, looking good, looking east and he's waving goodbye. So it's just banter from me and best wishes for a new club, but no skate-hugging I'm afraid, Ted is right, just give them a wave as they go. And the thought of rolling up at Fratton in colours - it's illegal under ground regulations - and insane.

you have to admire their optimism, April looks about a long way off - they need about £8M before then! POMPEY have announced the ticket arrangements for their visit to Southampton in April. The club will receive an allocation of 3,100 seats for the match at St Mary’s Stadium on Saturday, April 7, which kicks off at 1pm.

We knew the accounts wouldn't be unfrozen. We knew Cala was bonkers. We knew Harry was out of plausible excuses. Any real news today? How's the players' insurance cover as unpaid individuals forced to play on a frozen pitch that is only being used because the club desperately needs the matchday income? Isn't it two or three missed wages and they are entitled to leave? But on that sort of money with guarantees of every penny under the football creditor rules, no one is moving - and I can't see them still trading if they miss March as well. I do hope their youth team makes it to April, would be a real anti-climax if they failed to show up, in a very real sense.

Ho is just toying with us again, rewriting history through rose-tinted specs. All was fine and above board until the day after the cup 'win'. Yes, of course it was - there wasn't a decade of sleaze.... There was no funny business between the three amigos, no player bungs, no agent deals, no special incentives to get the likes of Sheringham and Merson, nothing unusual in any way - and Daddy Child-Maimer was nothing to do with the club at any point. And of course the figures are fine now, we are all nutjobs. So this isn't a thread, its an internet holding ward for Broadmoor. Everyone here is wrong. Apart from Ho.

silly Penny, silly Mr Cameron - there are dirty worms all over the floor, apart from where the herd of elephants is sitting. Lesson One in canvassing for cheap votes - don't get dragged into supporting criminality, or admit to seeing confidential tax emails. Lesson Two - never involve the PM. That'll be two very full inboxes tonight, methinks MoneyPenny will keep her gob shut next time, even Hanc6ck knows when to avoid a dodgy issue, and he's starred in more scandals than Rosie has had tins of Chum.

through a mix of ignoring the elephant and paying greedy players' ridiculous wages that can't be matched, they've retained enough players to overcome a minus 10, and possibly a minus 15ish, which is what will happen for a second administration - if they dodge the bigger more dangerous elephant that's waiting at court. The problem with that great plan will be the financing during adminstration - who can burn a mammoth £2M+ a month on a failed business? Chanrai fell in love with the club, but not that much, so the 12th Man group will have to run a lot of jumble sales. And the price of Lampitt's house which should soon go to creditors won't knock much off the debt. Don't know if I've mentioned it before but I'm not sure that the figures stack up.

by my reckoning, as of five minutes ago they officially started trading insolvently. They have admitted there is no money for the February wages yet they continue to employ staff and go about their daily business. The failure to raise money yesterday was a big mistake, and the two players who refused to leave have banged two nails in the club coffin. Now it's a new owner with massive funding or bust. I'd suggest the latter is more likely. What an odd way to run a business.

Legally they might like to try and disown OldCo, but the FL won't have that, and the Golden Share is more important than anything the high court says. NewCo is useless without a league to play in. They would need a shedload of parachute payment to make it to the summer, and the authorities have been keeping that back to pay football debts. If pompey went pop and had been allowed to waste future staggered transfer fees and wages, there would be clubs and players up in arms. The parachutes are a guarantee of payment for football creditors. Can't see much of that being forwarded. AA controls CSI, therefore AA controls pompey, therefore any parachute payment will be controlled by AA. He could order Lampitt to pay it directly to Chanrai. AA is also cleverly distancing himself from any insolvent trading charge by listing the directors and confirming that they are still pulling the strings, even if they aren't. It might be time for Lampitt to walk away, while he still has a house to walk home to. Either way, it MUST be firesale day today, anything else while insolvent would be bonkers and criminal.

lets be realistic, they don't have the money for the wages and the tax, this month, nor for the next few months. There is no way the CVA will get paid let alone started. Their only opportunity to reduce costs and raise capital is a one day firesale tomorrow. I think they need approx £15M to get to the summer. The only person who could get that sort of amount paid in full tomorrow is Storrie who valued the squad at some mental level back in the day. I would have some sympathy if - a. they hadn't ignored the previous administration. b. they hadn't ignored the previous transfer embargo. c. they hadn't presented false documents to a court to sign players for our cup game. d. the few didn't keep peddling ridiculous myths. e. they had learned a single lesson from previous overspending. f. they weren't still cheating. g. they had been punished. h. there were less inbreds following them. i. someone with integrity had formed a new club to chase away the crooks that have raped the sport while wearing a blue shirt. j. they hadn't been serial tax evaders. k. they hadn't been owned and funded by child-maimers. l. they hadn't been owned and funded by organised crime. m. they hadn't taken the p1ss out of children's charities. n. dirty Avram hadn't made his funny little speech. o. they admitted they are neither plucky nor the bestest. and finally, I might have some sympathy if they just stop blaming the league and the taxman for their own blatantly insolvent and criminal business practices. They have been run by crooks and idiots and the fans have loved it - Wemberly, Wemberly etc - well now it's judgement day - is that 1-0 win over a bankrupt mid-table championship side still worth it?.... It's effing ridiculous, put the poor beast down, it's terminally sick and horribly diseased, show some mercy.

I hope for their sake that Plan B is more advanced than that clip would suggest. Ground? Players? Infrastructure? Funding? No, but they have some under-priviliged kids lined up as mascots... Though it was good to see their entire fanbase in one clip. sell up pompey. Firesale, everyone must go, one day left, grab a bargain.

I think they're in a bit of a corner now over the wages - 1. Pay them, instead of paying a long overdue tax bill, yet another offence. 2. Don't pay them, and the wrath of the league comes down on them. The league rules specifically mention insolvent trading, that's covered by law and the football regulations - how long can this farce be allowed to continue? And that's glossing over the fact that they're been funded by money stolen from pensioners this season. Meanwhile the begging bowls are out for the millionaires - pack the park and buy Ben Haim some shiny bit of tat for one of his mansions. The dirty club is beyond help - form a new one.

as they are trading insolvently I find it difficult to recognise any points they are currently 'winning'. And I know that the league perhaps want to see what happens before they impose sanctions, but pompey have clearly triggered a points penalty with the current 'insolvency incident' and missed tax payments, no other clubs have been spared on these occasions so why the delay? They've already qualified for a minus 10 which won't worry them at all as they have the highest paid XI in the division and should be in the top six - is the league waiting to up that for a second administration in three years? If nothing happens then football is more bent than Quasimodo at a Twister party - a theory supported by the evidence about Harry's thieving pooch.

a normal business could use the last week or two before court to negotiate with the taxman over selling assets. But the transfer window rules mean that Lampitt needs to be having that last resort strategy conversation NOW, like in the next two days - I'm not sure that's dawned on him yet. If they insist on grimly hanging onto their ridiculous squad so they can cheat other more stable clubs like the Peterboroughs of this world out of three points, they are reducing their options, raising the stakes, and jogging further up the liquidation cul-de-sac. It always has to be gamble the lot with pompey, they can't resist a punt. The only guarantee with all addicted gamblers is....one day their luck will run out and the whole lot will come crashing down....

less of this celebrating, let's get to some facts. AA told us he had some people negotiating last week, I'm sure he said he had a couple of groups - at least one was completing two weeks ago. Where are they? And where is AA? Has he gone on holiday? Has Lampitt been abducted? His silence is deafening. Appleton, despite having a face like a Horton Heath prossie's arse is the only sensible one down there. He inherited a ridiculous playing squad and has been the only one who seems to realise that the ship is holed beneath the waterline. He's also the only one at the club on a sensible wage. But it was a madhouse when he took the job, so it's his own fault. A bit like Nugent. In a stadium of 20K there will be some nutters. If you run up to nutters all aggresive inviting them to give you abuse, don't act all hurt when they give you that abuse. He made it quite clear on several occasions during the game that he would take anyone on, and he didn't give a sh!t. Now he's moaning. If you don't want to get into dialogue with loonies, don't run up and introduce yourself you tweeting t0sser.

I'm just going out and we are one Redknapp courtroom clanger away from three pages of frantic activity so I'm going to miss the great moment... Happy 1000th page to all nutjobs and bed-wetters everywhere. x