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I'm not one to call for censorship, but in this case, I think this thread should really be closed now. It's been clear to many of us for ages that the OP was an EDL/BNP organiser, and it does us, collectively, no favours to have this thread run on.

I'm sure the US crews tried their hardest to convince the deicison-makers ten years ago. If they did, they failed, clearly. And the only reason the issue was dropped was because the king of all knuckle draggers, George W, became US president and hauled in his mates to kick the Pentagon back to the fifties.

It's not a press release though, is it. It's a statement made in Congress. Where people take, you know...decisions.

Nope. None of the actual decision-makers on this in the US have ever mentioned the reason you've given.

"The Navy was under enormous pressure a decade ago from the Defense Advisory Committee on Women in the Services to open the submarine community to women. The committee at the time was an influential 34-member advisory group to the secretary of defense. In 1999, the Navy allowed several members of this group aboard different classes of submarines while under way. For a few days they lived aboard. But they returned to shore unconvinced that the gender ban was appropriate. That fall, the Defense Advisory Committee on Women in the Services unanimously recommended that the Navy secretary and the CNO "commit to the integration of women in the submarine community and develop an implementation plan." http://www.islandpacket.com/lowcountrylife/story/985133.html Actually seems an old story.

Well, it does look like there's been a real knuckle-draggers' party going on while I've been away. So presumably then the story that started this thread is pure fiction. Just to remind you... 'WASHINGTON - American women may serve aboard submarines of the US Navy, an official said here Friday. “This is something the CNO (chief of naval operations) and I have been working on since I came into office,” US Navy secretary Ray Mabus said in a statement. “We are moving out aggressively on this. I believe women should have every opportunity to serve at sea, and that includes aboard submarines,” he said. Women making up about 15 percent of the US Navy’s officers and sailors, however, they are not assigned to serve in the Navy SEAL special forces units.' So that gives an interesting twist on delldays' claim that letting women onto nuclear subs 'is a risk that no nation is ready to take.' The US not count as a 'nation' then?

Brilliant! Formation knee-jerking from all the usual suspects from the EDL thread.

Ah, another non-reader.

No, that's Al Fahim. Or are they both tommac? I'm confused.

Just a question. Can you read? Once again, I judge your expertise by your comments on here, which are in my opinion those of a lazy default to misogyny.

I'm judging your expertise solely by your comments on here. Doesn't amount to much, does it?

No one's sticking up for 'the girls' as far as I can see. I'm just questioning your lazy, knee-jerk assumptions - aka your 'expertise'.

Probably an ingenious disguise. Like Tammoc.

That gave me a nasty start, trousers. I never thought I'd see the name of that little twerp tommac appear on here again. I think you might have forgotten that tommac - probably accidentally, knowing him - ramped the club's share price so high with his tosh about PA that any prospective buyer would have run a mile. He caused immense damage. As for us, well you're quite right - we are a force for good and all that's right in the world. Even Delldays. (No...what I am saying?)

After all that's been said you're sending out xxx's? Yikes! If you're the expert, at least try and give us a reason anyone can reasonably argue with, rather than the casual mysogny you've dumped on us so far.

Good grief, can that be true? So the FL takes no meaningful interest in who owns clubs under its jurisdiction? The worrying thing (well, one of many) about the Notts County deal is that the club had been majority-owned by a supporters' trust. But in the face of an offer of overwhelming funding and a future in the Prem, the trust simply handed over the keys to the club - they offered Qadbak their shares for nothing and immediately resigned their positions on the board. From the way this has been going - and there's surely more to the Sol Campbell resignation story than is hitting the newspapers - the oldest club in the league (I think) is under severe threat. And still Mawhinney says nothing.

Mawhinney, that is – not Markus. No one knows who owns Notts County – not even Sven. And yet these mystery figures, have presumably passed a fit-and-proper-person test. How is that even possible? You just know this is going to end in tears, with some deeply unpleasant revelations expected in the coming days. Leeds United, supposedly part-owned by Ken Bates, are also actually owned by persons unknown, somewhere in the Caymans. Ken apparently mis-spoke when making his declarations to the FL. How unfortunate. And so good to see that the FL under Mawhinney took due diligence seriously. QPR is part-owned by someone who, under the Football League’s own rules, should be banned immediately on the specific and unambiguous grounds that he’s been issued with a life ban in another sport. And the word from Mawhinney – the idiot who had to bend the FL’s own rules to create a special stand-alone penalty for Southampton? Well, there isn’t one. Not a peep. Brilliant. Mawhinney should resign – or at least find a rock to crawl under in sheer embarrassment. He’s not a fit and proper person.

His points? He doesn't have any points. He is the Southampton of submarines.

I have to admit, Yoda, that made me laugh. So what is it, exactly about women and nuclear subs in particular? You worried that they might dry their undies on the reactor core?

Well, my brother served on a little boat called Conqueror. He's told me some pretty vivid stories! Anyway, being heterosexual, he supports the idea of women on subs. Would I go anywhere near a sub? No way. I just think that female company might make your posts less snippy and wiseacre-like. I'm just thinking of us, not you.

Wow. I could have sworn it was 2009.

Well, the BBC isn't good enough for you, so I suppose the Guardian (12 September 2009) isn't either. 'Yet at EDL events, skinheads have raised Nazi salutes and other EDL supporters have chanted racist slogans such as “I hate Pakis more than you”. One protest in Luton in May ended with scores of people attacking Asian businesses, smashing cars and threatening passersby.' Your posts are bizarre, quite frankly - really, really, odd, and I'm strongly inclined not to believe a word of your claim that you teach 'outreach' to Muslim women.

I'll give the police the benefit of the doubt on this one. At the Birmingham EDL assault on Asians, there were 90 arrests. How many of those arrested were EDL/BNP? Every single one of them. (Source: BBC)

Bullsh!t Read my post 466. it's not THAT far away.

I'm convinced you have the attention span of a newt. No one is saying people shouldn't be concerned about the Salafists. We are saying that concern shouldn't be channelled into the EDL/BNP's racist assaults on innocent Asians, their homes and their businesses. Understand? Or is that too ****ing complicated for you?