Saint86

Keir trying to come out fighting (too little too late) - he's clearly a dead man walking at this point, really should just resign and let someone else get the clobbering that's coming in May (they're all so desperate to jockey for position, to knife him, and ultimately go get his job, but not so desperate that they want him to go before then)... should just give it to them now and have a laugh in a couple of months at their expense 🤣😄 "We’ve seen the true colours of Zack Polanski’s Greens in this campaign. The Greens were able to capitalise on an endorsement from George Galloway to win over enough voters to push them over the line. Their willingness to welcome Galloway’s divisive, sectarian politics is a sign that the Greens are not the harmless environmentalists they pretend to be, and their position on legalising all drugs shows how unstable this electoral coalition is. It cannot survive a general election campaign. We will continue to warn of the risk the Greens pose: the risk of extreme policies like legalising all drugs and pulling out of Nato that most voters strongly reject, and the risk of splitting the progressive vote so that Reform come through the middle.”

Yeah, her speech was great. A self made landlord with a million pound property portfolio talking about standing up to the millionaires and billionaires, how "hard work should get you a home", and all for a party that wants to abolish private landlords (it was at this point that i questioned if she knew which party she was standing for). All backed by large Muslim vote that now supports legalising sex work and LGBTQ+ rights, and where potentially a small number of people have had to tell another group of people exactly how one fills in a voting form. We can say one thing, the constituency isn't a shining example of an educated and politically conscious england. The greens probably could've have stood bonnie blue and won an even bigger majority 🤣

They won by 4400 votes. Turnout was 37k. The reported 12% observed/alleged illegal votes is 4440. So It is a significant number and could certainly be argued as such by the losing parties. Although i tend to agree that whether or not there was "family" voting, the same people would largely have voted green if left to their own devices. What it does indicate though (as i said above), is that people should be voting in private, and such a significant level of illegal voting patterns is damaging confidence in the democratic process.

Damit, i was too slow 🤦‍♂️

Oh okay, whereas you're arguing that in half the polling stations it was prevalent and at record levels, but in the other half it magically didn't happen at all? If you believe that then I've got a great investment opportunity to sell you... 😅

This is from the BBC...

Its becoming more and more of an issue and is beginning to distort / damage confidence in our democracy now on the localised scale. Barring special circumstances, people should be voting in private - with their actual vote only known by themselves. Group voting being observed in 68% of polling stations is atrocious - the fundamental contract of everyone having their own vote and all votes being equal is shattered by that kind of behaviour.

The only 2 parties that would repeal it are surely the Tories or Reform. I don't think we'll see another tory government, and its far from certain that we'll see a Reform one. Can't imagine the lib dems touching something so contentious with a barge pole (if they get back into government). Labour introduced it (and based on Streeting's whatsapp messages are probably shitting their pants even more now re their loss of muslim voters), and the greens would probably go further.

How was Christopher Hitchens described? 😄

Which is on Starmer and Rayner tbh. Neither wanted him anywhere near Westminster as he'd end up in the top job. The labour party needs to get it's house in order... The Tories look to be done, and the lib Dems look to be utterly uninterested in entering government...

You think Muslim voters supported legalising prostitution and sex work because it's the "safe option" 😅. They've voted on sectarian lines because of Gaza, which has absolutely nothing to do with domestic politics or Manchester's local issues.

Yeah, it does seem to be that way, but those frictions will have to come home to roost at some point. Really not a fan of them tbh, they've got so many polices i think would be disastrous - Legalising class A drugs and the sex trade, and their stance on open borders and nato/defence (i.e., leaving nato and expelling Nato/US forces from british bases - does Polanski work for russia / china?!) Labour need to get their house in order or they're going to get consumed by the far left, and we'll be left with a choice between two ideologically very opposed parties in the greens and reform, with the centerground completely abandoned - i.e., the country will start to become ungovernable. Anyway, maybe you'll be right and Labour see them off.

Reckon the Greens will win it after their impressive efforts in swaying the Muslim vote away from Labour. Another example of Starmer's weakness and poor decision making as it really wouldn't have taken that much for Labour to hold the seat... and people can say what you want about Zacky P, anyone who can get a large portion of the muslim vote of an area to side with a party promoting LGBQ+ rights and legalising sex work is a formidable politician - uneasy alliance maybe, but thats future PM material 🤣.

Teams won't go bankrupt provided someone is prepared to buy up their debts - which is why it comes down to worth and why Leicester could be in real trouble if they get relegated to League 1 (poorer squad, loss of income - ticket sales, merch, tv monies) etc. At a certain point, clubs are no longer worth enough to buy them out and pay off / service debts, and thats when they go to the wall.

Start strong, sub after its won. No excuses.