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Never in doubt with JWP imho. Tremendous fitness and stamina (almost like he's worth 2 players in the squad with this level of reliability - the minutes he's come in and clocked, after not playing much football, is impressive. Calm and aware on the ball, rarely gives it away. Good defensive awareness and positioning, and lost count of how many dangerous attacks/shots where he's been there to deny the opposition. And he carries his set piece delivery - which when paired with manning must make us a proper threat to face and defend against. We sold Charles and THB for circa £60M, and I think schlotterbeck and JWP have come in for around £5M and improved us - albeit without age or resale value on their side.

Not a bad point all things considered. Could have won, could have easily lost. And after that first half we had no business being in the game. Fantastic game for the neutrals for a 1-1.

Hard to pass good balls forward when there is nothing (Mubama/edozie) in front of you making food runs to hit.

If WBA can run through us like this, Middlesbrough will absolutely murder us.

Manning poor, edozie appalling (so bad he may as well be in a WBA shirt so far), and Mubama is equally killing our attacks. Wellington and Dobbin on for 2 of edozie and Mubama at halftime for me.

Is edozie on the take tonight? Should be Yanked now based on this first 30min... Certainly shouldn't come out second half.

Just thinking exactly this.

Goal is manning's fault as much as Stephen's tbh. What was he doing, that pass was telegraphed a month in advance.

Terrible start from us though regardless.

Is that not a dive? He felt the (minimal) contact, and then a split second later throws himself down. Silly from Stephen's to give the ref a decision though - but still, that's more of a cheat than spygate 🙄

Good point, well made 😄

Interesting appointment with respect to how that will turn out. The locals won't be happy with his football. Could have an interesting impact on Middlesbrough - he'll have the international break and then a run of games culminating in boro at home - works out as about 7 matches. I wonder what state they'll be in then - Boro will struggle vs teams that can defend well and are dangerous on the attack. Not the nicest run of games for Boro when they get back from the international break either: Bristol City won't even play football with Boro, they'll just sit there and go long, by pass the midfield, and get at their defence (which is very porous). Long away day as well. Then a run of 4 games that includes Swansea (who they should beat lets be honest), then us, then the west ham game. If they drop points there and we close the gap, will their fanbase and dressing room feel the heat from last season's bottling?

Doesn't surprise me, i was making the point last season (re spygate and people wanting him sacked), that since he adopted the 4-2-3-1 with peretz and Larin, Tonda was delivering circa 2.46pts per game. That is absurd. I know i certainly waivered on him somewhere along the lines - fluctuated between thinking he didn't have it and him needing support / to learn quickly... Well on that last point, he smashed it out of the park 😄🤩

A bit like a young intern going up to watch boro's training a day late and getting Hackney's fitness status wrong?

That only tells half the story as well: Young inexperienced manager stepping into his first job. Picking up a club that had just finished in the prem on an embarrassing 12points and was staring at a relegation scrap. Not his team / signings - so had to adapt to suit the squad.

United need almost a complete dressing room reset - akin to what Spors has done at Saints following the 12point relegation. They seem reluctant to take their medicine on that front and never do it properly - and so they'll continue to circle the drain until they either get relegated or have a spurs style escape. IMHO, its going to take one of those two things to happen the way they're going. A relegation scrap is on the cards this year unless they improve drastically... and honestly, if they sack carrick and then the players all "magically" decide to start playing again, it only reinforces the need for a complete dressing room overhaul..

Struggled with the games after they became too complex circa 2015 onwards. They just add more and more bloat every year and life gets too short to play a game that only ever becomes heavier - its long since ceased to be something you can casually pick up and play. And yes, i understand you can dedicate various roles to staff - but if you are a lower league club that means your staff are bad and they will do those roles poorly. So you just end up getting a worse experience regardless. Rather than giving you the opportunity to automate certain features, they'd have been better off allowing you to toggle them on off - at the end of the day, pre match, half time, full time team talks are all just glorified modifiers in a spreadsheet. Ditto press conferences. Just give players the option to turn those bits off and set the modifier to 1 etc.

You lot of little faith! Never in doubt!!!

Did you watch the game? Time after time bolton's defenders simply switched off and let multiple boro players in behind. was laughable.

Pretty easy to score 5 goals when the bolton players can't be arsed to track their runners or step up for offisde, and just casually walk around at the back...

Truly embarrassing defending by Bolton tonight. Just invited boro to walk it in.

That wasn't the decision though was it. Aston Villa delayed and signed THB right at the end of the window after we'd missed out on preferred targets - and the club decided to keep their powder dry until January (rather than panic spend it on the wrong players) 🤷‍♂️

The laughable thing is that they spend all this money on players, managers, directors of football etc... consistently get it wrong, and yet never seem to learn... Like ffs - look at the league, look at who does it best, and then use your money to buy that team of people.... i.e., use those millions to go and pillage Brighton's management and scouting setup... not Jason bloody Wilcox from 2nd tier Southampton 😄

And we've also only lost twice - both times against physical sides that were allowed to kick lumps out of us. Conversely, every team that has tried to take the game to us has lost - often decisively.

Sorry to break it to you guys, but i think you're getting ahead of yourselves with the Martin / Leicester revival. Reading their forum (https://www.foxestalk.co.uk/topic/140672-has-martin-turned-the-corner-and-we-should-support-him/page/3/#comments) its seems abundantly clear that he's temporarily abandoned his principles to save his skin... as we know he did with saints going into the play offs. In this case, it appears he has switched to a back 3 and stopped the tippy tappy passing along the back line (not too dissimilar to what he did with saints) which has resulted in an uptick in form... He's secured a couple of wins, got himself some breathing space etc., so i'm 99% sure he'll be reverting to type before too long. It would seem that even Martin knows he can't afford to fail at Leicester so quickly (for fear of terminally killing his career). Based on previous Martin form, who wants to tell Leicester that its likely all is temporary to buy himself some more time, rather than having a footballing epiphany?