Saint86

I don't think Spors will rush now. We could be on 6points from 6 going into the international break and look a far more attractive proposition as a result. I actually (possibly very naively) have a feeling Spors will make a good choice on next manager. But equally it will depend whether its really his choice, or whether he is being interfered with to play in the "preferred" SR way (as Blackmore eluded to a couple of weeks ago).

I would be appalled if anyone at the club makes an appointment to "keep us up". Whoever we appoint should be hired with targeting playoffs in mind.

Do you have the source for this, and the rest of the figure?

I meant we can play a higher line as he can sweep and is far better with his feet and positionally, that we can drop deep with him and pass the ball to him (and not get a Macca newcastle-esq cock up like first game last season), and that his kicking is genuinely very good and can be used to launch counter attacks etc. These are all things Macca is significantly worse at. If we're going to park the bus and just invite shots on goal, play Macca... Either keeper is going to struggle with our CB's spontaneously deciding not to compete for headers or track runners, or react to rebounds etc., inside the 18yard box - we can't keep giving oppo attackers chances on a silver plate.

https://news.sky.com/story/the-x-effect-how-elon-musk-is-boosting-the-british-right-13464487 Not quite sure this thread is the most relevant place to put this, but it offers interesting insight into the current political battles and powers of social media. This article specifically deals with X, but it will be no different to platforms like Bluesky and facebook, and is probably the opposite to how twitter functioned prior to Musk taking it over. In many ways it is a very astute move by Musk with respect to the whole "grand game" that is politics. He learnt from people on the other side of the political divide and has found a way to directly use his wealth to influence politics the way he wants, and potentially more than any other "non political" person, and he has also (i suspect) tried to tactfully pitch himself on the side of protecting free speech (to give himself protection/longevity whilst he's doing it). I was trying to work out sky news' angle on going after Musk (given i would say sky is itself on the centre right), and i can only really come up with it being an attempt by MSM to undermine the power of social media companies? Perhaps i'm being too cynical or overthinking that aspect of it, but i see it as entities like facebook/twitter/x/bluesky etc are doing the modern version of what main stream media has always done historically (with respect to political discourse and narratives) - MSM just failed to adapt and will likely never enjoy the same influence again. As the article mentions at one point, in an ideal world the "algorithms" would be impartial (although i think that is impossible to truly achieve) - or perhaps better yet, there should be no algorithms and you only discover people based on broader forums and through people that already gain traction, like a mirror of how societies have always operated, but then i guess even that is influenced by "benefactors".

I don't think its that clear cut. Bazunu may make a mistake a game but he allows the team to play more expansively and further up the pitch. We're a better footballing side with him in it. And ultimately Macca also has mistakes in him and is a fucking car crash 1-1 and on dealing with high balls... we've been exposed to both a lot under Still. Macca is the better shot stopper though. I'd suggest it makes more sense to pick the keeper depending on who we're playing and how we intend to set up. And lets not excuse the defending, the goal last night is being blamed on Baz, but stephens and particularly THB had that striker between the two of them, neither watching him, neither noticing him move, neither tracking the run, and neither defending the cross or anywhere near it to be in with any chance of intercepting it or clearing it. Its abysmal defending before its on the keeper as the striker should never have been left unmarked by two defenders that were notionally appearing to mark him ffs.

He's a good manager... but his football is absolutely dire.

And yet they are worse than gao / semmens who had no pot to piss in. That's how bad they are...

Pretty much the most realistic way I see of us getting rid of SR is for the parachute payments to run out, commercial revenues decline, financial trouble and administration hitting, and us ending up with a relegation to the 3rd tier and a points deduction - but at least with new owners. That may be pessimistic of me, but frankly I've seen very little from them that implies they are capable of delivering a sustained period of success - and from where we are now, that is what is required to get us back to being the established premier league club that we were under gao/Ralph/semmens etc. So, if you adopt the approach that SR are a slow death (that will kill the fanbase for a generation and cause awful damage to the clubs standing / facilities / academy etc), the argument could be made quite easily that this next management appointment by spors really is their last throw of the dice. We will never have a better chance to compete in the championship under SR than this season and next season... Scary times after that.

He directly calls out bad attitude amongst the players and that makes him part of the bad ones? Eh?

Think you're being overly negative here if its any consolation. Delaying does make some sense given the next international break is the 15th November, which means after QPR (a) and Wed (h), our next match is Charlton on the 22nd. There is therefore a bit of time to sort a replacement. Albeit, i would prefer us to have been ready to go this week with a replacement. It does raise the question as to why the delay - are we waiting for someone, or is it to give the U21 guy a chance? it would make no sense at all to remove either of trollope or lallana at this stage imo - that would leave the interim U21 manager almost entirely bereft of senior coaching support. On Romeu - I don't see a specific relation between that decision and saints wanting to employ the U21 manager full time. Indeed, the entire fanbase is delighted he's back, and not one of those comments has said the reason they're delighted is because he'll be great at supporting the u21 manager - everyone can see he is something we're missing and badly need. All said, i think you're reaching for something negative imo - which is understandable - but also tbf to him, no one really knows how good the U21 manager will do over these next 2 games - he could be mustard for all we know.

It isn't RM, not a cat's chance in hell.... Knowing SR, they could find someone even worse though 😄

The thing that worries me about this, is that it implies they've sacked him without already having a pretty firm idea who to appoint afterwards. I think even the most patient fan would have to admit that Still's sacking has been coming for a couple of weeks minimum at this point. I know there is an international break coming up, but we really can't afford to be wasting time for the new manager to get himself in the door and start working with the squad... Are we perhaps caught in a queue where managers are waiting to see what jobs become avaialble as we enter prime sacking window? Or are we waiting for our preferred candidate to get sacked somewhere else first.... 🤣

Hah, i will have to look for it, had totally forgotten there was a call in last night. Jokingly mentioning something on here is one thing, calling into a radio show with it is something else...

Haha no, why - did someone suggest exactly this? 😅

Longer shots - I wonder if we could tempt Bruno Lage - been at Wolves, Swansea, and Wednesday throughout his career. Or, can we get Le Tissier to phone up Xavi and get him involved? He did idolise Le Tiss as a kid... Looking at the german sphere of coaching, Marco Rose is a great shout. And then Viera has good links to Spors previously.

Yeah, agree it's a shame (I thought he was a huge talent potentially), but from the club's side it's also done now - nothing more they can do and it's for Tyler and his family to sort out this out. As I said above, the club needs to find a way of educating these players or protecting them better.

Hah, yes exactly. Moyes is very well regarded for developing young players. For my sins, I'm good friends with a couple of Everton fans, to say that they think Dibling should be getting more game time (or that they blame Moyes for Dibling being shit) is just make believe. Fairy tale stuff in fact. They're extremely disappointed with him, think his attitude is off, and think we've mugged them right off 😄

Merely building on your point about management styles by highlighting that whilst our last good manager was rumoured to have had poor man management, most of the shit ones since have been hired in part due to their good man management of the players (Selles, Martin, Still).... 😉 We haven't missed good times or winning streaks in the prem at all have we... 🤪 And neither 9-0 comes remotely close to last season imo.

Sad that he'll waste his potential, but equally he's a brilliant example to be used for the rest of the academy kids. He left saints rather than have a year starring in the championship learning how to carry a team and become the main man (Grealish did the opposite and got Villa promoted, earning his move). Dibling sadly looks like another of the recent academy batches that have had eyes on the money and fame first and foremost - without respecting the effort it takes to ultimately really earn it. I don't know if the club can do something to better educate them or shield them from bad agents? But either way, its no longer our problem in Tyler's case. I think most Saints fans knew it wasn't the best move, so it really is a case of him being very badly advised. The unfortunate part of it for Saints is that he may somewhat damage the perceived value of our "academy products".

And Will Still was very well regarded for his man management 🤣. So was Martin - great mates with the players.

When he had a fit Ings, he managed at top 4 points tally over a 38 game run... 😅

@Matthew Le God

Romeu had a couple of nasty injuries early on if memory serves, so doesn't quite have the full mileage on him that other experienced pros do.

Just appoint Ralph already, then swap sick note for JWP and we're sorted.