badgerx16

West Hampstead

Imports to the EU must meet EU standards. https://ec.europa.eu/food/safety/international_affairs/trade/poultry_en The objection to chlorine washing is that animal welfare and abbatoir hygeine standards in the US are lower than in the EU, which actually helps reduce production costs for the meat,. However, this is also seen as generating a greater risk of food contamination due to 'dirty' work practices, and the application of the chlorine dioxide 'wash' is not deemed to be a sufficiently effective remediation.

I think describing Cameron and Osborne as 'screw-ups' is fair.

I never said that he did, I merely posted direct quotes from his Channel 4 News interview. I leave it to other people to fabricate 'facts' or deliberately misread things, usually it's Politicians.

Go back and read what I posted, and quoted ( from JRM himself " We won't know the full economic consequences for a very long time". "....whether it will be better or worse". ). Don't insult my intelligence, I think that so far I've been reasonably courteous towards you. Also, most of those who had just passed voting age at the point of the referendum voted to remain, and I suggest that those who have reached it since would most likely hold the same opinion.

He is one of the main people telling us that this is a great opportunity for the country, yet when pressed he, at best, hedges his bets, and at worst, implies that things may well turn out worse. Nobody in the Leave campaign implied that it may well be decades before we even knew the true impact of Brexit. Almost everybody that voted to leave will be dead in 50 years, I reckon that most of them expected to see a tangible benefit much, much, earlier. What I want to know is what his true motive is, what he thinks he personally is going to gain from Brexit.

Come on Wes, what about the rest of it ? "This will be a choice for the electorate, The electorate ultimately will be the judge of this, and will decide whether Brexit has been a success or failure." [ In which case, how and when would this happen ? What if it does, indeed, turn out to be a failure ? ] "....I may not know for years to come whether it, ( the economy ), will be better or worse..." "We will know at some point, but it's a matter of timescale..." "We won't know the full economic consequences for a very long time" and finally "The overwhelming opportunity for Brexit is over the next 50 years" He doesn't sound completely convinced that this is going to work.

What makes you think they are all actually extant now ? The 2 either side of the undead creature in the middle certainly look suspiciously as if they have been propped up.

They look a real band of Happy Campers.

I love this line in the BBC story "What to look for in Brexit declaration?"; "Language is being sought to ensure everyone can claim they got what they wanted." https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-46278361

Tooting

With regard to a second vote, why not hold it ? We at least now know far more about the pros and cons, and where both sides in the referendum produced distortions and outright fabrications. People are entitled to have changed their opinions subsequent to the original vote, and if those that voted leave last time are confident of their position, then they will win again. Simply quoting the 'democratic will of the people' plays down the most significant point: when ,( if ), we "leave" the EU this is an irreversible step, unlike those other clear democratic statements of the electorate's will, General Elections, when we get a chance to review, revise, and potentially reverse a result every 5 years, or less.

Wes, sorry, but what Shurlock wrote is exactly what Liam Fox said. https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/brexit-deal-liam-fox-theresa-may-draft-agreement-eu-withdrawal-cabinet-a8637086.html

Would that be the isolationist, self-interested USA that took 3 years in WW1 and over 2 years in WW2 before deciding to get involved ? ( And remember, the 2nd time, they only woke up after the Japanese had spanked their arses, and if Hitler hadn't been stupid enough to actually declare war on the US they may have restricted themselves to convoy escorts in the Atlantic whilst concentrating on the Pacific theatre. ).

weasel

I think it is possible to leave, but you have to be willing to take a lot of pain and unpalatable consequences. It becomes impossible once you have a geographical/political situation such as Northern Ireland.

It seems that the Leavers are all leaving.

3 resignations already, less than a day after the agreement (?) was announced, and Penny Mordaunt is apparently 'reviewing her position'. This is going well.

It's the one potential outcome that nobody will admit to.

Quite probably, I was merely indicating how the attribution of being an agent for peace is applied to the EU. Indeed, the EU was awarded the Nobel Peace Prize in 2012. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/2012_Nobel_Peace_Prize

Since the EU was formed in 1957 there have been many armed conflicts on the continent of Europe, including the civil wars in the former Yugoslavia. The claim for 'sustained peace', when attributed to the EU, is applied to to conflicts between EU member states - historically these have predominantly involved the UK, France, and Germany.

In trying to satisfy everybody, she will end up satisfying nobody.

Swim ?

May won't resign, but the 1922 Committee might stir things up a bit.