Unbelievable Jeff

The last 18 months we have spent being nice, respectful, tried to deal with this in the correct way. The lack of empathy, understanding, common courtesy and in general downright rudeness of the people who run the hall and its members have meant that diplomacy doesn't seem to be the way forward. However you feel I am on this forum, I think we all have facets of our personality that are more exaggerated when on a forum. I am a normal 30 year old man that has come to the end of his tether after a year of 'nuisance' from an organisation that purports to be there to help society, unless of course it inconveniences their members.

That seems far too high to me.

Sunderland are 13/2 to win. £15 on that just in case we don't pick anything up. Most likely result is a low scoring or goalless draw, Sundrrland can defend and sit back well, and we have historically struggled to break down teams like this.

I have to say, I think Markus would be extremely proud of his daughter. Fairplay Kat, you're doing a cracking job.

Haha, people just can't take a joke can they? It amazes me how we are all faceless entities on a board, yet some people are so up themselves and so proud that they can't hold their hands up and admit they were wrong. It's as if they think this place is soooo serious that if they did admit they were wrong people would look down on them.

So, is everyone still laughing at us?

Update So today my other half came home with my little girl and again we couldn't access our drive. She was nipping home and then out again, so she parked across their drive (when they're in they never usually leave. One of the old boys came out and had a go at my other half, in front of my 2 year old, threatening that they got police down the other day after I parked opposite their drive and then started "we've got a number of coppers in here" blah blah. He made my other half cry. I am now on my way home and I am going to go and have a word with them. Do I call the police and put in a nuisance complaint and hope I don't speak to any mason's? Weston, I will use your contact details but I get the feeling nothing is going to happen. I am disgusted with them, and if they want a war, they can have a ****ing war. My other thought was go to the local papers.

The other thing about Dortmund is unless you are in the terraces, which are pretty hard to get tickets to, it's not actually that cheap.

I think you should post the replies you got from the club on here, as they should be named and shamed.

No reply from VFTT in a while. I bet he's ripping them a gaper. The ticket office that is.

It makes no sense to be applied the opposite way, none whatsoever.

I've read it through a few times on the website and it is a bit unclear but I think he's right. What confuses it is that Stoke says pretty much exactly the same thing, but it is meant the opposite way. The confusing thing is that to take two children there would need to be 4 adults. That makes no sense whatsoever??

And that's fair enough - I think the posts were missing this context. For instance it is cheaper for me, my missus and my kid to go see Saints than it is to see Stoke. To me that is pretty damn good. For you it's £12 more than at Stoke, but then you don't have to sit in the family section at Saints whereas you would at Stoke.

Ok, see that's not what you complained about, or was the below just a bare-faced lie: If what you say about provision to buy tickets like that is true then yes, that is annoying, but that's about the provision of tickets and not the price of them.

That's fair enough. Please don't think that I am defending high prices in football - I don't like the fact that prices are so high as it means I go to less games than I would otherwise. It's not that I see it as something that SHOULD be used to maximise revenues - in fact I think the opposite, but the biggest issue is that many clubs don't make a profit so they have to maximise the revenues, and that tends to mean higher prices for the fans. Now, when we get a breakeven stage, I expect the club to freeze ticket prices, or at the very least follow the Consumer Price Index for inflation.

That just won't work.

And there is STILL no guarantee that we'd sell out every week.

Concessions to U18's are pretty good. As was shown earlier, VFTT was saying that Stoke do excellent deals for U18's, whereas ours are actually as good. The thing is, and i will continue to say this, if you are making a loss it's not really a case of absorbing that loss - the priority for most companies is to not make a loss nd as such if efficiency savings can be made to reduce that, the company will do this in addition to price rises. Once the club is self-sustainable then they can look at reducing prices to support the fans.

Don't disagree with this.

Yes, the clubs could spend less on transfers and wages, but then you are potentially diminishing the quality, which can also have negative effects on the purchase of tickets. What I find strange is that everyone is criticising, yet no-one has come up with a workable solution as to bringing down ticket prices. If the owners were banking the money then fair enough, but in the majority of cases they are trying to make up for a shortfall in revenue.

So you'd make our most expensive tickets more expensive, but our cheapest tickets cheaper (at category level). People don't want cheaper tickets to the cheap games though, they want cheaper tickets to the Cat A games. This can be seen from VFTT's posts earlier. So how do you propose we get round this without decreasing revenues? I know you don't like it, but in general the demand for football tickets is price inelastic, and is far more linked to the quality of the football that is on show rather than the price. A £1 reduction in the price of a ticket is not going to result in am increase in attendance of 1000 people (which it would need to do to cover lost revenues).

I'm not having a go at you, you've debated very well all through this thread! No problems with you!

Look, big boys talking, alright chump.

It seems to me people want to take any opportunity to criticise the club they purport to love. That's what i dislike more than anything, and why I get short with people who do without any evidence of it.

Why? Let's break it down so I can prove you wrong as well.