Unbelievable Jeff

As we all know, Corbyn hasn't got a solution or an argument - he'd end up with the same deal - AS THERE IS NO DEAL TO BE HAD.

Whatever happened to Soggy on this thread? Considering he had such strong opinions I'm surprised he hasn't come back to defend himself? Unless he really didn't care that much, he was just a contrarian trying to cause an argument but got caught out.

And as we know with Brexit, the majority tends to be wrong, as the majority of people are idiots.

May is on her way out - she will be regarded as a hero if she stopped us in our tracks rather than the coach driver that drove us off the cliff. We voted to leave the EU, but the vote wasn't binding, it was advisory. As more information comes to light for a lot of the population, and the Government, surely doing what is best for the country is the number one priority.

I'm not even 100% sure I want another vote. This is not a decision that should have been given to the general public. If we don't get May's deal voted in (which it shouldn't be), the Government should just stop Brexit as it is irresponsible to take the country down that route.

You do understand the point of metaphor's don't you? It's not the picnic that's important, it's the fact that decision cannot be changed based on a change of circumstances.

Here you go: https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2018/nov/29/eu-net-migration-uk-falls-lowest-level-almost-six-years

But how is leaving the EU going to stop that? Last year we saw a massive fall in the number of migrants from the EU. Do you know what happened? We replaced that with people from non-EU countries as we had to cover the slack. The situation you are talking about is not going to stop because of Brexit - because the economy and population drives the need for working people. The problem starts at home where we have to replace people unwilling to work in our population, and the massive ageing population, to ensure the economy and basic services keep functioning. If you think we're going to stop inviting people over here to work, then you are going to be sorely disappointed. The same number of skilled workers are still going to be needed, and because of the poor investment in public services, those people are still going to come from overseas. What you need to do is deal with the source of the problem, and not with the result. The problem is you've been fooled that where the migrants come in is the source, when in actual fact it is WAY before that.

Exactly, and the point I'm getting to. A lot of the Brexiteers who have an issue with the strain that immigration has put on public resources are not looking into it enough. The reason we now have schools with 35 kids in a class, or A&E waiting times are up, is not that there are too many people here - it's that the relative investment to those people has not been made by the incumbent Government(s). However, in the years leading up to the Brexit vote (when we were in 'Austerity' kids), there was a campaign to take the spotlight off the Government spending plans, and onto immigration, so they could fool people into thinking that immigration was the issue. It wasn't then, it isn't now, and it won't be in the future. We can control our EU borders so that those pesky Euro people will only be allowed to stay over here IF they have a job, and create a net surplus to the economy - which as Shurlock rightly pointed out, they do. Unfortunately, too many people have been duped, and these are the people who have voted themselves out of jobs, into debt, and eating out of a ****ing food bank. Oh, and I am also an ex card-carrying member of the Tory party, before people think I'm some pansy lefty socialist.

Your issue is with over-population, but that is more of a demographic based forecast - you can add a million over 3 years, if the birth rate within the UK is slowing. You can add to the population without putting a strain on public resources, as long as you have the investment and sustainability in the economy, as well as a willing Government, to allow the continued expansion of these resources. However, none of these are a Brexit or EU issue.

I think you'd be rather surprised if you knew who Verbal was... I'm all up for criticising muppets on this forum, but some have some quite decent credentials.

I have hardly been on this thread. It was a simple question. No idea why you're getting yourself in a tizz over it.

Why is it not sustainable? And considering that it's mostly people coming in from outside the EU Brexit ain't gonna change that. As an aside, I have hardly been on this thread, so not quite sure why everyone is getting so angsty with me? Just asking some questions.

So you can't tell me why you don't want immigrants here? I think that shows what you're about then.

You going to answer me Wes?

Exactly my point...

Oh yeah, F365 are one of the best - they know their **** rather than just regurgitating the usual crap that the old boy journalists spew.

But I don't think we've seen true uncontrolled immigration yet - I would suggest that most of the people that have come in have come in to work. We have the lowest unemployment in God knows how long, yet we've had high uncontrolled immigration for years. We also have the ability to send people home after 3 months if they haven't got a job - surely that is some sort of control? So what is your issue with immigration? Using up too much of the country's resources?

Wow - it's as if they've been reading my posts for last 8 months...

Did you see that this year the shortfall of EU migrants was made up with non-EU migrants? Who'd have guessed!?

Can't be worse than Hughes...although a lot of people said Hughes couldn't be worse than MP (well, not all of us), so anything is possible I guess.

Do you like them cos they're good at their job, or cos they've got nice tits?

I ****ing told you all.

What a coincidence... https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-46298959