Unbelievable Jeff

Blimey, that's harsh. The infractions, that is.

What were his infractions for?

Before they scored Cardiff were 9/4 to win. That is utter madness.

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Amazing how much confidence Mark Hughes has evaporated from these players.

You prefer the one who was done for drink driving?

Indeed it is!! Others seem to think not, but they'll grow up someday.

Please don't use that word, it's incredibly offensive to those that are related to people with mental difficulties.

I assume your reading ain't up to much.

You still here pal? I'd have thought with all the embarrassment on the other threads that you'd be keeping a low profile.

I think your analogy is slightly incorrect. The fence was on its last legs, and the winds were coming. Hughes worked on the fence for 3 months, but looking at the fence it looked the same. The winds came and went, and the fence was still standing. There is no doubt whatsoever that Hughes was Manager when we stayed up - I've never denied that - however, I still don't think what he did kept us up. It was more that Swansea got 3 points from their last 9 games. If they had just matched Pellegrino's total from the previous 8 games, they'd have stayed up at our expense, and they had a decent run in as well.

Agreed - we call them the "Cabbage Patch of Pollsters"...

Ralph, Ralph Has, Ralph Hasenhuttl. Ralph, Ralph Has, Ralph Hasenhuttl. Ralph, Ralph Has, Ralph Hasenhuttl. Ralph, Ralph Has, Ralph Hasenhuttl. To the tune of Du Hast by Rammstein.

What odds you get on that?

I don't believe that - the squad is a lower mid table squad, and working with even a half decent Manager should see us safe.

I'm wondering why you're getting so angry at this - you definitely seem to have some anger issues that you'd be best served to get sorted away from this forum. Perhaps it would be worth taking a break? As for the debate we're having, I think we just need to agree to disagree, rather than getting our panties in a twist, don't you? The points and statistics that have been put across, and that you've put across do not show any clear indication that Hughes made much of a difference to our form from Pellegrino. Instead of just getting angry, why don't you lay out in clear points, with statistics to back it up, why you think we were so much better under Hughes. I ask this because the statistics don't show it. I will admit we did look better going forward under Hughes, even though we scored the same goals per game as the previous 8 games under Pellegrino (which was Pellegrino's worst 8 game run of the season). And sorry, 19 points at home to 17 away - we were obviously dominant at home so I am clearly wrong there, and luckily we've continued that good form this year.

West Ham away, Swansea away (Swansea managed 3 points from their last 9 games), Bournemouth home were all winnable games. Considering we are better away from home than at home I wouldn't say having winnable home games is what we should be looking at. Also, no need for the insults pal, you don't look hard!

What history has been rewritten? The results above are fact!?

Yes, what?

No - I said the only thing that we can definitely say is that he finished in the same position, so the logical thing to say is he did not improve us in any way. We did look better attacking wise though.

He should have been sacked, he was ****ing awful. Hughes didn't save us IMHO.

Are you really just carrying on giving your back of a fag packet law lectures to people ignoring the fact that you seem to know very little about the subject? You haven't even broached the poor application of your "law" earlier in this thread.

Was it a harder run of games than the previous 8 of Pell though? Hughes: West Ham 3 - 0 Southampton Arsenal 3 - 2 Southampton Southampton 2 - 3 Chelsea Leicester 0 - 0 Southampton Southampton 2 - 1 Bournemouth Everton 1 - 1 Southampton Swansea 0 - 1 Southampton Southampton 0 - 1 Man City Points per game - 1 Goals per game - 1 Goals conceded per game - 1.50 Avg Finishing Team position - 9 Pellegrino: Watford 2 - 2 Southampton Southampton 1 - 1 Tottenham Southampton 1 - 1 Brighton West Brom 2 - 3 Southampton Southampton 0 - 2 Liverpool Burnley 1 - 1 Southampton Southampton 0 - 0 Stoke Newcastle 3 - 0 Southampton Points per game - 1 Goals per game - 1 Goals conceded per game - 1.50 Avg Finishing Team position - 11.5 So it works out at same points per game, same goals scored, same conceded, and only very slightly harder games...I'm not seeing this big improvement, and with such fine margins I'm not sure if Pell couldn't have continued what he was doing and kept us up.