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Just like you conflate liberals with the looney left? You are a prize hypocrite. You accuse others of misquoting you whilst routinely deliberately misquoting others.

He is giving it a good try though.

That’s where you get it wrong badger. Apparently, if you don’t know many Muslims personally it is wrong to assume that the vast majority of them just want to go about their lives peacefully and get on leading normal lives and getting on with their neighbours.

Straight out of the Trump/Farage playbook. A simplistic statement for simple minds.

I have never, ever said that. You are as deluded and dumb as nic.

On this at least we agree. Much like your opinion on child welfare.

I think that you will find that all three religions that stem from the same source preach peace and love. Only extremists in all three find ways to interpret the source material in other ways. Your hatred of one particular branch of this religion seems to blind you to extreme actions and views by others.

You and the people who support your posts are completely deluded. No one including me is softening or trying to soften what happened yesterday and what has been happening for years. Your hatred of Muslims clouds your understanding of both what is going on and what people who don’t hate every Muslim are saying. It is a deniable fact that atrocities have been carried out by either side in either side for centuries. Every act only serves to deepen the divide and can only serve to encourage violent reactions. This idea that one side is responsible for everything that has ever happened and the other is an innocent victim is beyond ridiculous. You talk of shooting people in cold blood. You seem oblivious to the number of Palestinians shot in cold blood by the IDF. No surprise really because you and the people who like your posts make it clear daily that a Muslim life is worth less than any other life. Get someone to read this part to you out loud. There is absolutely nothing that justifies killing anybody going about their daily business peacefully no matter what the colour of their skin, what religion, if any, they follow, no matter what difference they may have from another person. It really isn’t hard to understand but your need to twist this statement every time it is made says more about you than me.

I would suggest that you book in to see a shrink first thing tomorrow badger! Probably wise to double your meds too.

So Vance is constantly banging on about the right to free speech. How does that equate with being kept out of the US if the last five years of your social media input/output doesn’t meet their approval? Don’t bother to answer this Ralph. We know that you approve of keeping looney lefties from spreading themselves around the world. I’m guessing they would roll out the red carpet for Ralph and nic. 🇺🇸

I don’t see anyone apologists for terror attacks. I do see some people who understand that either side have been killing each other for years and I see some people who think that one side is responsible for all of the atrocities and the other side is completely at liberty to do what they want in retaliation.

He didn’t give a shit about the hostages either.

For those who have a problem with the far right label maybe best avoid this article. It comes from the stable of the same people who own the Daily Mail though. https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/world/trump-wants-revolution-in-europe-the-far-right-will-help-him-get-it/ar-AA1Skmxt?cvid=3f69c721694f4dd5b4da9fe88fe6c20e&ocid=hpmsn

In the most simplistic terms the people pulling the triggers. In the real world there will be a reason why they pulled the triggers. Isn’t that’s what’s important? Motive? All we have been told is that it is a terrorist attack so far. Not who is behind it but it seems as if you have already made up your mind.

The hero has been named as Ahmed al Ahmed. He is in hospital with bullet wounds to his arm and hand. Death toll now up to 16 including a child.

So every time I have mentioned Netanyahu, his Government and the IDF you conflate that with all Jewish people? So you really haven’t been reading my posts. Go find the posts over the last few months where I blame Jews. Go find the posts where I support Islamic extremists. My thoughts are clear about what happened today. Innocent people should not die because others in power chose violence to advance their agenda. Jews, Palestinians anyone you care to mention. I do not and never have supported Hamas or any other extremist Islamic organisation. Also I think that the actions of Netanyahu and his government and their constant throwing around of the anti-Semitic card when it suits their purpose to deflect from their actions has made the Jewish people around the world less safe. I can’t be clearer than that. If you feel the need to twist that to suit an imagined pro Islamic terrorist anti Jewish agenda like nutty nic, then I’m afraid you are just as deluded as he is. Just to be extra clear, anybody using Christianity, Judaism or Islam to justify killing others, destroying their homes and taking their land is doing so to satisfy their own sociopathic, warped world view. It has nothing to do with a God.

If the great Donald Trump doesn’t know how do you expect me to? They could start, both sides by actually stop shooting at each other and stealing land that isn’t theirs. Seriously though, do you actually read what I write? I have not taken the side of Hamas. I have taken the side of the innocent people in Gaza and the West Bank who have been and are being killed, maimed and displaced and have been for over two years now. Balanced view? How often have innocent Jewish people been killed since 7th October? How many have died in Gaza and the West Bank over the last two years? The Israeli government are under investigation for committing genocide. Netanyahu has been accused of committing war crimes. I am on the side of innocent people and the innocent people under threat in the main are the occupants of Gaza and the West Bank. The only people who seem to have a problem with this are the people who hate Muslims, extremists or not.

And you are probably the most stupid person ever to post on a football forum, and the bar is pretty low. Finally though you have shown your true colours. Little wonder you get upset when the likes of Tommy Robinson get flak. You have gone properly Islamophobic. They hate us. They want to rule or destroy us. Do you ever listen to yourself? What an absolute twat you are. You actually make Donald Trump sound like a 5 year old rather than a toddler.

If you pay attention you would understand that there are many religious leaders on both sides of the divide who are desperately working for peace. Sadly the hawks on both sides don’t want peace. This isn’t just about aggression from Hamas/Islam, but I am sure that you understand that. Yes they are using their religion for their own ends. What about those in Netanyahu’s government who are using their religion to displace people from their homes in the West Bank. We have been saying this for years, this is not about one side in white hats and one in black hats. Both sides believe that they are right and that their actions are justified. Both sides have warmongers and both sides have those who just want to live peacefully alongside the other. There is clearly no easy solution to this conflict but as long as you have extremists on both sides who are just intent on killing each other there will be no way out. This includes Netanyahu’s government as much as it does Hamas and other extremist Muslim groups.

Netanyahu laying the blame at the feet of the Australian PM for supporting a Palestinian state. Yet again he completely deliberately ignores the fact that his actions in Gaza and elsewhere have led to an increase in negativity against Israel. He doesn’t get to say whether Palestine exists or not, despite his best efforts to wipe Gaza off the planet.

I wonder if he had some kind of military/police training? If he was just a random guy who acted on impulse, that takes balls of steel.

If that is true then yes, they are sick. Just like the Jewish people who sat and celebrated the bombing of Gaza. There is no moral high ground between them.

My point is that their motive has not been confirmed by the authorities yet. What you believe at this moment in time is just an opinion.

The levels of anti-Semitism have apparently risen since the attack on Gaza. Previous Islamic attack have mainly been against the general public. This seems that the Jewish community has been attacked specifically, but again, this is just speculation at the moment.

You have never call it looney left? Ok. I asked you to tell me what my extremists views were and you haven’t. It isn’t my definition of the far right. I use the definition used by the media, political commentators, ChatGPT etc. Please get your facts right next time. If you didn’t believe that she was biased why say so? I can quote some old Tory grandee’s who call Farage a fascist but I don’t quote them because I don’t think he is quite that far right. Whatever other people (the people you care to mention) think of her, it doesn’t mean that her assessment of various people and parties is wrong. It doesn’t stand or fall by what Emily Maitlis thinks. The opinion is very wide spread. You share these opinions therefore it is not unreasonable to assume that you have “far right” views. Have the courage of your convictions. Own it. You get likes from nutty nic, that should tell you all you need to know. We have been discussing the effect of more extreme right wing policies in the US and the rise of the far right party here, Reform. You have tried to muddy the waters by dragging the left into it. The left aren’t the problem in America and you won’t find anyone here who thinks that Starmer’s Labour (you know, the people in power) are anything like a left wing party. You might not like lefty policies but they are not causing the problems that we are facing here and in the USA.