sadoldgit

Here you are boys, go to town #303 326 331 332 335 364 382 it will help if you read the posts around them for context.

I am not making things up. Where did he specify terrorists?

1. Yep stand by that. 2. So my quote about 15 kids is a lie and the one about Muslim women with 15 kids is ok? 3. ?

It is in a post above

I have already provided that response.

Okay you are very good at making accusations. Where are the blatant untruths and lies please? As for the "others" you mean you and your buddies CB Fry and Sour Mash?

One poster in particular said that Muslims (he didn't specify terrorists so I assume he means all of them) are a threat because of what is written in the Koran. Another presented figures in a way that tried to shown Muslims in a particular light. Help me find the quote about killing all Muslims and I will give you the context.

If there are so many, knock yourself out. Lets have them if you really have nothing better to offer the discussion than yet another pointless point scoring post.

I have explained that post already. I have never said that someone has used stats to show all Muslims are a threat. I have used stats to show that all Muslims are not a threat.

Really, like what exactly?

You really are like a broken record Hypo. Once again you go off on one and completely miss the point. Oh and I am still waiting for your apology over the accusation of making something up.

Cont.... some 35% said they felt most British people did not trust Muslims and a fifth said they thought Western liberal; society could never be compatible with Islam. Of those polled 95% felt a loyalty to Britain while 93% believed that Muslims in Britain should always obey British laws. Nearly 20% of Muslim women questioned said they felt unsafe in Britain compared with 10% of men (there is that 10% again Mr Fry!). So then, when it comes to spinning figures you might like to ask the poster who only put two stats from the survey and in the negative form in his initial post what his aim was instead of having a pop at me.

I am not ignoring any statists. But you do have to take things in context. Depending on what question you ask you can get a certain response. Muslims are deeply offended by any depiction of the Prophet. They will understand the anger against Charlie Hebdo by other Muslims. They may well have "sympathy" for the attack based on the fact that it is deeply offensive. If the question had been asked do you condone the killings at Charlie Hebdo due to the depiction of the Prophet, you might have got a different response. You might not also but we shall never know. I was accused of spinning the figures which is interesting because I just quoted the figures from the survey. I have found the article from the BBC and will reproduce it in full for C B Fry's benefit. If I am spinning anything then so is the BBC so I am in good company. 1000 Muslims were surveyed across Britain from 26th January to 20th February for BBC Radio 4 "The majority of British Muslims oppose violence against people who publish images depicting the Prophet Muhammad, a poll for the BBC suggests. The survey also indicates most have no sympathy with those who want to fight against western interests. But 27% of the 1000 Muslims polled by ComRes said they had some sympathy for the motives behind the \paris attacks. Almost 80% said they had found it deeply offensive when images depicting the Prophet were published. 95% feel a loyalty to Britian. 93% say they should obey British laws. 46% feel prejudice against Islam makes it difficult being a Muslim in Britain. 78% are offended when images of the Prophet Muhammad are published. 11% feel sympathy for people who want to fight against western interests. Asked if acts of violence against those who publish images of the Prophet Muhhammad can "never be justified" 68% agreed that such violence was never justifiable. But 24% disagreed with the statement while the rest replied "don't know" or refused to answer. The poll suggests that 32% of British Muslims were not surprised by Januarys attacks on the magazine and a kosher supermarket. The poll also suggests that almost half of Brit Muslims belive they face discrimination because of their faith and that Britain is becoming less tolerant while the same % feel prejudice against Islam makes it difficult being a Muslim in the UK.

richard

Worth reposting for those using stats to try and prove that we are at risk from all Muslims in this country.

A few miles up the road from me you will find plenty of Christian women with 15 kids. In fact the woman over the road in a council house has 6 with another on the way.

It is still a very small minority. The vast majority in a small poll (1000 out of 1.6 billion) came out against the attacks. We know that the terrorists have some sympathy amongst other Muslims so the chance of it being 100% was zilch. The figures in support of living by our rules were even higher but have been completely ignored. Why? Because some seem us to believe that all Muslims post a threat.

Not a fan of John Pilger then Lou?

You know better than that surely?

You really don't get it do you?

I thought that Rupert and Gordon got on?

river

Id be interested to know what others think!

http://stopwar.org.uk/index.php/news/john-pilger-the-root-causes-of-terrorism-and-what-we-can-do-about-it Some of you may remember John Pilger's reports from Indo China during the 60s and 70s. A pinko bleeding heart liberal maybe, but worth a read in these knee jerk times.

Are the figures from the same survey showing loyalty to Britain and obeying British law high enough? If you feel that Christianity can claim a higher moral ground since its conception that's fine if that is what you think. As you know, we have a completely different culture and are happy to laugh at ourselves and religions, as the French do. Of course the poll would be different but it is interesting that a cross section of people I spoke to without any agendas felt that the Charlie Hebdo had gone too far.