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    In a table based on average league position over the last 50 years, Saints are 11th.

    http://www.skysports.com/football/ne...td-and-arsenal

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    Yep - about the time I've been supporting and roughly where I would expect (if anything I thought a bit lower, but hey-ho). Amongst all the 'him out' threads I've always maintained that we are an average first tier team (or have been in my life time) so the table pretty much fits my expectations. Somebody will now come on and tell me my expectations are low, but that's not the case, they are realistic based on what it takes to reach the higher levels of the table consistently.

    Don't get me wrong, do I want improvement, yes I do, but also I know that, in the grand scheme of things, we ain't actually doing as bad as some of the posters on here would have you think.

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    And as at May last year (when it was published) we finished three place above our average. The jury is out as to whether we might beat the average again this year.

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    Yes, 11th best team in the last 50 years, but with an average position of just above 17th. When I saw 11th I thought it was too high. Maybe Dalek's onto something?

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    Quote Originally Posted by sandwichsaint View Post
    Yes, 11th best team in the last 50 years, but with an average position of just above 17th. When I saw 11th I thought it was too high. Maybe Dalek's onto something?
    Agree - the table rewards hanging around in the top flight (which we've largely done). Would be good to know what our long-term average position in the top division is when we've been in it. It will be higher than 17th which is necessarily skewed downwards by the years spent in divisions two and three.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nordic Saint View Post
    In a table based on average league position over the last 50 years, Saints are 11th.

    http://www.skysports.com/football/ne...td-and-arsenal
    Dell sized to the limit.

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    Pretty good for a team that until 51 years ago had never been in the top division and for which the promised land was just to get there. How expectations change,

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tom & Gerry View Post
    Pretty good for a team that until 51 years ago had never been in the top division and for which the promised land was just to get there. How expectations change,
    Yup, and 51 years ago, the same posters would be telling us we should be happy with 2nd / 3rd tier.

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    17th is about right overall. In our last stay in the top division we had a number of close calls before our eventual relegation.

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    Hang on Pompey are a long way down. Shouldn't they historically be in the top 3? Before the WAR they were champions forever or something.

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    Shocking we haven't got more of a trophy cabinet considering the players we've had over that time.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sour Mash View Post
    Shocking we haven't got more of a trophy cabinet considering the players we've had over that time.
    It's the final hurdles we seem to fall at. Altogether we've been in 14 FA Cup & League Cup semi-finals. You'd expect us to have 3 or 4 trophies. In contrast, Pompey, who were only in the top flight for 33 seasons in their history, were in a total of just 7 semi-finals. Even Leeds have only ever been in 13 semi-finals.

    It could be down to repeated bad luck or perhaps we are just too nice and content to make up the numbers.There has never been much of a ruthless or arrogant streak at Southampton.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nordic Saint View Post
    It's the final hurdles we seem to fall at. Altogether we've been in 14 FA Cup & League Cup semi-finals. You'd expect us to have 3 or 4 trophies. In contrast, Pompey, who were only in the top flight for 33 seasons in their history, were in a total of just 7 semi-finals. Even Leeds have only ever been in 13 semi-finals.

    It could be down to repeated bad luck or perhaps we are just too nice and content to make up the numbers.There has never been much of a ruthless or arrogant streak at Southampton.
    Definitely some truth in that, current set up more than ever.

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    when I started supporting Saints when the third division south ended, promotion and second divison football was considered an acheivement.
    Saints have come a long way since then and if I'm honest have done far better than I could ever have imagined.

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