saintbob40 Posted 3 September, 2008 Share Posted 3 September, 2008 ...we look lopsided and don't seem to play down the right hand side at all. Team's realise that and then double mark Holmes on the left. A passing game needs to stretch teams surely so we should use all the pitch?? Solutions anyone? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ottery st mary Posted 3 September, 2008 Share Posted 3 September, 2008 Let us hope after reserves game Dyer is on his way back with a little more thought to his wing and team play. Personally I think White and Thomson do a good job out right so choices with the right games and combinations. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
derry Posted 4 September, 2008 Share Posted 4 September, 2008 Let us hope after reserves game Dyer is on his way back with a little more thought to his wing and team play. Personally I think White and Thomson do a good job out right so choices with the right games and combinations. Cork at right back and move James into right midfield. James is quite quick, has put in some decent crosses for goals, and with Cork behind would make a very solid right side. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 4 September, 2008 Share Posted 4 September, 2008 now dyer is here...I would give him a few games to see what he can do with the new coaching set up...... his pace is one thing that will keep an opposing team stretched at the back..like it did when he came on against blackpool..now, if only he could up his ratio at beating a player one-on-one..:cool: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
derry Posted 4 September, 2008 Share Posted 4 September, 2008 now dyer is here...I would give him a few games to see what he can do with the new coaching set up...... his pace is one thing that will keep an opposing team stretched at the back..like it did when he came on against blackpool..now, if only he could up his ratio at beating a player one-on-one..:cool: Only if he stops coming inside and plays along the touchline. JP criticised Dyer and White for coming inside and making it difficult to stretch the defence. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint_clark Posted 4 September, 2008 Share Posted 4 September, 2008 Cork at right back and move James into right midfield. James is quite quick, has put in some decent crosses for goals, and with Cork behind would make a very solid right side. James' pace is what lets him down IMO. He is a defensive midfielder, he should play in the centre, NOT on the wing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arizona Posted 4 September, 2008 Share Posted 4 September, 2008 Holmes on the left Skacel in the hole Lallana on the right Looks like a very attacking creative line-up to me. Should chip in with a fair few goals too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint_clark Posted 4 September, 2008 Share Posted 4 September, 2008 Holmes on the left Skacel in the hole Lallana on the right Looks like a very attacking creative line-up to me. Should chip in with a fair few goals too. I agree, but something just feels wrong about it. Not sure what. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andy_Porter Posted 4 September, 2008 Share Posted 4 September, 2008 I agree, but something just feels wrong about it. Not sure what. Forcing our best attacking midfielder of the last 5 games to play right wing? I'm not against it, that could work. I'd like to see Dyer given a few games while Skacel gets somewhere near match fitness though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 4 September, 2008 Share Posted 4 September, 2008 I agree, but something just feels wrong about it. Not sure what. skacel in the middle .....despite playing on theleft for the last few years of his career... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
derry Posted 4 September, 2008 Share Posted 4 September, 2008 James' pace is what lets him down IMO. He is a defensive midfielder, he should play in the centre, NOT on the wing. James is a lot quicker than Surman and probably quicker than Holmes, he has demonstrated the ability to get forward and his crosses have provided several goals. If it is ok for Surman to play wide left with his lack of pace, then James would have no problem. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ottery st mary Posted 4 September, 2008 Share Posted 4 September, 2008 James is a lot quicker than Surman and probably quicker than Holmes, he has demonstrated the ability to get forward and his crosses have provided several goals. If it is ok for Surman to play wide left with his lack of pace, then James would have no problem. Worth a try with both able to inter change. We have so many options but we must get it right soon with all finding form and in the right combinations. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Golden Balls Posted 4 September, 2008 Share Posted 4 September, 2008 (edited) James is a lot quicker than Surman and probably quicker than Holmes, he has demonstrated the ability to get forward and his crosses have provided several goals. If it is ok for Surman to play wide left with his lack of pace, then James would have no problem. Really do not understand how James gets a game tbh. I feel he is the weakest link in our team. And when he does do something decent, he ruins it in seconds by making a mistake! Edited 5 September, 2008 by Golden Balls Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint_clark Posted 4 September, 2008 Share Posted 4 September, 2008 Really do not understand how James gets a game tbh. I feel he is the leakest link in our team. And when he does do something decent, he ruins it in seconds by making a mistake! Completely agree. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arizona Posted 4 September, 2008 Share Posted 4 September, 2008 skacel in the middle .....despite playing on theleft for the last few years of his career... Chris Baird in the middle... despite playing at RB for the last few years of his career... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gordon Mockles Posted 5 September, 2008 Share Posted 5 September, 2008 Agreed that our right wing is lacking. I would like to see Dyer played more to build up his fitness and stake for a starting first team place. He looks threatening and has the pace to benefit this new system, just needs to train and practice on his weaknesses, like his crossing. With Holmes wide left and Dyer wide right, and Lallana in the hole, I feel we’ve got a decent attacking triangle. The striker just needs more support and not to sit so deep (or, if he doesn’t, he needs more support from Lallana & co) as we’ve been seriously lacking men in the box to get on the end of the crosses. I’d be interested to see, if only once or twice, how John manages up front with Mc G sat in the hole (or just off the front man) or alternatively Pekhart up front (with Mc G supporting/running off him). We certainly need to use our right wing more, balance the shape of the squad out, and to have men in the box (which has been seriously lacking) to catch the crosses, be a nuisance to defenders and SCORE GOALS (Too often we have had a pronged attack – i.e. a “V” formation – wings pushed forward [by either of the corner flags] – with the central players/striker sat deep, nearer the centre circle than the goal mouth! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saintbob40 Posted 5 September, 2008 Author Share Posted 5 September, 2008 I thought Cork and Lallana teamed up well down the right for the last half an hour at Derby. ...then again I think we all get a bit too excited about our performace at that game-Derby are less than good. James doesn't play it down the flanks but that may not be his fault...he may lack an outlet. White wandered a lot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ottery st mary Posted 5 September, 2008 Share Posted 5 September, 2008 Agreed that our right wing is lacking. I would like to see Dyer played more to build up his fitness and stake for a starting first team place. He looks threatening and has the pace to benefit this new system, just needs to train and practice on his weaknesses, like his crossing. With Holmes wide left and Dyer wide right, and Lallana in the hole, I feel we’ve got a decent attacking triangle. The striker just needs more support and not to sit so deep (or, if he doesn’t, he needs more support from Lallana & co) as we’ve been seriously lacking men in the box to get on the end of the crosses. I’d be interested to see, if only once or twice, how John manages up front with Mc G sat in the hole (or just off the front man) or alternatively Pekhart up front (with Mc G supporting/running off him). We certainly need to use our right wing more, balance the shape of the squad out, and to have men in the box (which has been seriously lacking) to catch the crosses, be a nuisance to defenders and SCORE GOALS (Too often we have had a pronged attack – i.e. a “V” formation – wings pushed forward [by either of the corner flags] – with the central players/striker sat deep, nearer the centre circle than the goal mouth! I see you in the new light Gordon now you have attained your coaching badges. You will be known to me as Coach Mockles from now. It is interesting how we are all coming up with these formations with these youngsters. Just think what the coaches are doing with seeing them in training every day. Lets hope they get it right soon, we need results to keep the ship steady. If not its over to you Coach Mockles. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AndyNorthernSaints Posted 5 September, 2008 Share Posted 5 September, 2008 Give Dyer a run of games on the right. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Graffito Posted 5 September, 2008 Share Posted 5 September, 2008 Originally Posted by Arizona Holmes on the left Skacel in the hole Lallana on the right Looks like a very attacking creative line-up to me. Should chip in with a fair few goals too. I agree, but something just feels wrong about it. Not sure what. There's a hole in it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 5 September, 2008 Share Posted 5 September, 2008 Chris Baird in the middle... despite playing at RB for the last few years of his career... oh...it MUST work with all players then if it worked with baird for a whole season.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rolosfc Posted 5 September, 2008 Share Posted 5 September, 2008 Left side is a hell of a lot stronger than the right. Llyod James gave a silly free kick away against Cardiff leading to the goal, then Jamie White gave away the pen last week. Don't get me wrong I think both will be great prospects in the future but at the moment they look a bit too raw. Whereas the left side has Surman's relative experience alongside the obvious quality of Holmes. However, I don't think playing Dyer there will be any better, as he is poor defensively as well and would give James no cover. Maybe BWP would be an option out there, but I definitely think that is the weakest area of our team so far this season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rolosfc Posted 5 September, 2008 Share Posted 5 September, 2008 Left side is a hell of a lot stronger than the right. Llyod James gave a silly free kick away against Cardiff leading to the goal, then Jamie White gave away the pen last week. Don't get me wrong I think both will be great prospects in the future but at the moment they look a bit too raw. Whereas the left side has Surman's relative experience alongside the obvious quality of Holmes. However, I don't think playing Dyer there will be any better, as he is poor defensively as well and would give James no cover. Maybe BWP would be an option out there, but I definitely think that is the weakest area of our team so far this season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Golden Balls Posted 5 September, 2008 Share Posted 5 September, 2008 I would like to see Cork given a go at RB and White at RM Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Golden Balls Posted 5 September, 2008 Share Posted 5 September, 2008 I would like to see Cork given a go at RB and White at RM Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
derry Posted 5 September, 2008 Share Posted 5 September, 2008 I would like to see Cork given a go at RB and White at RM White has to learn to play wide first, I was surprised they waited for half time to replace him. Thompson, BWP, Dyer, would be better but only if they play wide and come only to the six yd box to cover the far post when the play is down the left. James in front of Cork would give a much more solid right side. James is stronger than the others. better in the air, to attack on the back post and he does get back and tackle, Still that is just my opinion, I see little little sign of it happening. The other way would be Cork in front of James, but I prefer the first option. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arizona Posted 5 September, 2008 Share Posted 5 September, 2008 oh...it MUST work with all players then if it worked with baird for a whole season.. Woah, I don't want a marital here. I am just pointing out that if a player has the required attributes, they can sometimes play in unfamiliar roles and excel. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
L1Minus10 Posted 6 September, 2008 Share Posted 6 September, 2008 Lallana on the right is the only answer. Then you can either bring another attacking player into midfield (DMG or Skacel) or beef it up with Wotton or Euell, pushing Schneiderlin forward. Other options for the right... BWP - ****ing useless. I will be ****ed off if JP even tries this. Dyer - fast, brainless, pretty useless Thomson - Not ready IMO - Jury still out though DMG - Doesn't look comfortable out there White - Not yet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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