Just in case anybody has forgotten

[Bartosz Bialkowski]

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/teams/s/southampton/7976473.stm

 

Trading in Southampton Leisure Holding (SLH) plc's shares was suspended on Wednesday after the company admitted it needed extra money to have a future.

"The finances are interlinked therefore the future of the club is in serious jeopardy," said administrator Mark Fry.

 

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/teams/s/southampton/8181386.stm

 

Owner Liebherr added: "Nicola and I have enjoyed a long business relationship and it was Nicola who convinced me to buy the club.

"He then conducted what proved to be a very difficult process expertly and professionally."

 

 

 

Cortese more than Deserves our support and patience. So stop your f**king MOANING

[alpine_saint]

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/teams/s/southampton/7976473.stm

 

Trading in Southampton Leisure Holding (SLH) plc's shares was suspended on Wednesday after the company admitted it needed extra money to have a future.

"The finances are interlinked therefore the future of the club is in serious jeopardy," said administrator Mark Fry.

 

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/teams/s/southampton/8181386.stm

 

Owner Liebherr added: "Nicola and I have enjoyed a long business relationship and it was Nicola who convinced me to buy the club.

"He then conducted what proved to be a very difficult process expertly and professionally."

 

 

 

Cortese more than Deserves our support and patience. So stop your f**king MOANING

 

This.

 

Great f**king post.

 

How strange that a lot of the biggest bleaters were those who slagged the impatients off when the results wouldnt come at first, and used the "at least we still have a club" mantra.

[Liquidshokk]

Here we go again. Round and round. He CANNOT be excused from the seriously shocking decisions he is repeatedly making just because he convinced someone to buy the club. It comes to a point where even the supporters of cortese (like me until last two days) have to wake up and smell the coffee.

 

If Pompey have survived after the last year than our 4 mil debts or whatever it was wasnt going to see us go down the plug hole ultimately.

[The9]

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/teams/s/southampton/7976473.stm

 

Trading in Southampton Leisure Holding (SLH) plc's shares was suspended on Wednesday after the company admitted it needed extra money to have a future.

"The finances are interlinked therefore the future of the club is in serious jeopardy," said administrator Mark Fry.

 

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/teams/s/southampton/8181386.stm

 

Owner Liebherr added: "Nicola and I have enjoyed a long business relationship and it was Nicola who convinced me to buy the club.

"He then conducted what proved to be a very difficult process expertly and professionally."

 

Cortese more than Deserves our support and patience. So stop your f**king MOANING

 

Woo-hoo, so now we have a club that doesn't represent any of the things we used to like about it anyway.

[alpine_saint]

Here we go again. Round and round. He CANNOT be excused from the seriously shocking decisions he is repeatedly making just because he convinced someone to buy the club. It comes to a point where even the supporters of cortese (like me until last two days) have to wake up and smell the coffee.

 

If Pompey have survived after the last year than our 4 mil debts or whatever it was wasnt going to see us go down the plug hole ultimately.

 

We owed over 20million. All that debt has GONE.

[Andy_Porter]

Let's excuse every poor and bad decision Cortese has made and will make in the future because he put a really rich man in contact with our administrator?!

 

Even if we had gone out of business there would still be a Southampton somewhere to watch, sometimes I think that might be a more enjoyable option as a supporter.

[alpine_saint]

Woo-hoo, so now we have a club that doesn't represent any of the things we used to like about it anyway.

 

so you expected Liebherr and Cortese to stump up over 20million just to support the status quo that got us there in the first place, did you ?

[Joensuu]

Here we go again. Round and round. H

 

 

Yup, but at least now we are seeing some of the counter-argument, you know, from posters who have reflected upon the situation, and can see that their might be method in the madness.

 

If the next appointment is anything but an obvious step forward Cortese will lose the fans. Until the appointment is made it seems rather rash for fans to be jumping to conclusions.

 

Obviously, I agree that this thread will decend into another slanging match, but at least that beats the one-sided anti-Cortese threads that we've seen the last couple of days.

[Liquidshokk]

We owed over 20million. All that debt has GONE.

 

Small fry in comparison to pompey. I'm not convinced we would have disappeared. Believe me I am eternally grateful for their actions then but struggle to find gratitude for any that have come about since

[alpine_saint]

Let's excuse every poor and bad decision Cortese has made and will make in the future because he put a really rich man in contact with our administrator?!

 

Even if we had gone out of business there would still be a Southampton somewhere to watch, sometimes I think that might be a more enjoyable option as a supporter.

 

My spolit brat children talk like that, FFS.

[alpine_saint]

Yup, but at least now we are seeing some of the counter-argument, you know, from posters who have reflected upon the situation, and can see that their might be method in the madness.

 

If the next appointment is anything but an obvious step forward Cortese will lose the fans. Until the appointment is made it seems rather rash for fans to be jumping to conclusions.

 

Obviously, I agree that this thread will decend into another slanging match, but at least that beats the one-sided anti-Cortese threads that we've seen the last couple of days.

 

I reckon Cortese must know how big his next decision is, and will rise to the occasion accordingly.

[ALWAYS_SFC]

Here we go again. Round and round. He CANNOT be excused from the seriously shocking decisions he is repeatedly making just because he convinced someone to buy the club. It comes to a point where even the supporters of cortese (like me until last two days) have to wake up and smell the coffee.

 

If Pompey have survived after the last year than our 4 mil debts or whatever it was wasnt going to see us go down the plug hole ultimately.

 

You are not allowed to question MC,whilst we are all unreservedly grateful to the people who saved our club

it does not give members of this group of people to be beyond question.

 

I wonder how these "don`t question NC" people will feel if it all goes pear shaped from here on in...

[alpine_saint]

Your children moan about saints too?!

 

No, they know the price of everything and the value of nothing.

[Andy_Porter]

My spolit brat children talk like that, FFS.

 

Oh ok I'll just let Cortese get away with everything and anything without saying a word then. Blind faith, woo!

 

There's nothing wrong with speaking out when a poor decision is made, over the last six month Cortese has made several, if you can't see that then well it's your problem.

[alpine_saint]

You are not allowed to question MC,whilst we are all unreservedly grateful to the people who saved our club

it does not give members of this group of people to be beyond question.

 

I wonder how these "don`t question NC" people will feel if it all goes pear shaped from here on in...

 

Oh, I shall be questioning him most vociferously if he appoints the wrong manager. For the moment I am willing to take as a matter of faith the reason he did what he did.

[alpine_saint]

Oh ok I'll just let Cortese get away with everything and anything without saying a word then. Blind faith, woo!

 

There's nothing wrong with speaking out when a poor decision is made, over the last six month Cortese has made several, if you can't see that then well it's your problem.

 

At this moment in time I see no poor decisions, only a couple I dont fully understand the dynamics of. The jury is completely out about sacking Pardew imo.

[saintscottofthenortham]

Woo-hoo, so now we have a club that doesn't represent any of the things we used to like about it anyway.

 

Exactly. Well done Cortese, you are a good businessman. Seeing as your so good... I'll keep schtum whilst you go about running this club of yours as privately as possible, leaving us fans feeling totally and utterly detached.

 

Only a week ago Bartoz, I sounded like you. Now... I have lost patience and have seen too many things I don't like, kept quiet for too long, let it all go and thought yeh, everything is rosey! As far as I'm concerned, it's not.

 

This can all be changed simply by him just opening up a little bit and letting us feel a bit more than just a bit part of the club.

[Andy_Porter]

Yup, but at least now we are seeing some of the counter-argument, you know, from posters who have reflected upon the situation, and can see that their might be method in the madness.

 

If the next appointment is anything but an obvious step forward Cortese will lose the fans. Until the appointment is made it seems rather rash for fans to be jumping to conclusions.

 

Obviously, I agree that this thread will decend into another slanging match, but at least that beats the one-sided anti-Cortese threads that we've seen the last couple of days.

 

The problem will be if we get in any manager who isn't a huge name, say someone like Blackwell (could be a decent shout, just not a big enough name for some) took over and we got a couple of bad results, the whiney hysterical element of our fanbase would be on his back from the off just because of the support towards Pardew. It's going to get incredibly hard for anyone to take over.

[Andy_Porter]

At this moment in time I see no poor decisions, only a couple I dont fully understand the dynamics of. The jury is completely out about sacking Pardew imo.

 

What about the supporters charter? I know it doesn't affect you but surely you can see that lying to fans is a poor decision....

 

That's just one of many as well, there have been a few very strange decisions.

[Joensuu]

I reckon Cortese must know how big his next decision is, and will rise to the occasion accordingly.

 

I do hope you're right Alpine. I have to say, as someone who has backed Cortese over the last few months, I am a little shaken by Pardew's departure. Not that he was sacked, just with the timing of the sacking. I can still see several perfectly logical explainations for events, but if the next appointment isn't top notch, (or at very least Cortese revealling that the departure was caused by Pardew), then I'm afraid Cortese will have lost my support. I feel this is do or die for Cortese now, if he doesn't have a trump card up his sleeve, then the fans will probably turn against him.

 

 

BTW, Alpine, sorry for slating you a month ago, your posts on this subject have been spot on IMO (although I reserve the right not to agree with you on other subjects, it's usually far too depressing...)

[Liquidshokk]

Yup, but at least now we are seeing some of the counter-argument, you know, from posters who have reflected upon the situation, and can see that their might be method in the madness.

 

If the next appointment is anything but an obvious step forward Cortese will lose the fans. Until the appointment is made it seems rather rash for fans to be jumping to conclusions.

 

Obviously, I agree that this thread will decend into another slanging match, but at least that beats the one-sided anti-Cortese threads that we've seen the last couple of days.

 

I haven't 100% agreed with Corteses decisions up until the sacking of pardew but I accepted them, despite them not being ideal when it comes to my enjoyment of saints but the latest developments combined with the initial skepticism means my overall opinion of cortese is snowballing into negativity. I think more and more people are going through this at the moment too, worryingly....

[ALWAYS_SFC]

Oh, I shall be questioning him most vociferously if he appoints the wrong manager. For the moment I am willing to take as a matter of faith the reason he did what he did.

 

Who will the "wrong" manager be in your eyes then?

It was obviously AP dsepite the regularly documented handicaps..

 

You say you are willing to take the reason with faith yet when our departed manager made some decisions

you did not like or agree with you were all over it like a rash....................

[Whitey Grandad]

My spolit brat children talk like that, FFS.

 

And who spoilt them?

[alpine_saint]

I do hope you're right Alpine. I have to say, as someone who has backed Cortese over the last few months, I am a little shaken by Pardew's departure. Not that he was sacked, just with the timing of the sacking. I can still see several perfectly logical explainations for events, but if the next appointment isn't top notch, (or at very least Cortese revealling that the departure was caused by Pardew), then I'm afraid Cortese will have lost my support. I feel this is do or die for Cortese now, if he doesn't have a trump card up his sleeve, then the fans will probably turn against him.

 

 

Agree completely.

[Joensuu]

I haven't 100% agreed with Corteses decisions up until the sacking of pardew but I accepted them, despite them not being ideal when it comes to my enjoyment of saints but the latest developments combined with the initial skepticism means my overall opinion of cortese is snowballing into negativity. I think more and more people are going through this at the moment too, worryingly....

 

Liquid, I'm not far behind you. I've been very pro-Cortese, but this last episode has shattered my faith somewhat. I'm still, just, the other side of the fence though: only because I can still see plausible explainations that are perfectly rational. If a top manager is suddenly unveiled by Cortese, almost all of the fans will be back on-side... if a fairly useless manager like Hart is appointed, and no further explaination for events is provided, I'll swap sides too, and be calling for his resignation. Last chance Nicola.

[dellish]

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/teams/s/southampton/7976473.stm

 

Trading in Southampton Leisure Holding (SLH) plc's shares was suspended on Wednesday after the company admitted it needed extra money to have a future.

"The finances are interlinked therefore the future of the club is in serious jeopardy," said administrator Mark Fry.

 

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/teams/s/southampton/8181386.stm

 

Owner Liebherr added: "Nicola and I have enjoyed a long business relationship and it was Nicola who convinced me to buy the club.

"He then conducted what proved to be a very difficult process expertly and professionally."

 

 

 

Cortese more than Deserves our support and patience. So stop your f**king MOANING

100% right. some fans always expect owners to splash the cash ,,but they think have right to slag off just coz they buy a ticket

[alpine_saint]

Who will the "wrong" manager be in your eyes then?

It was obviously AP dsepite the regularly documented handicaps..

 

You say you are willing to take the reason with faith yet when our departed manager made some decisions

you did not like or agree with you were all over it like a rash....................

 

What handicaps ? Is several million quid to build a squad over a year a f**king "handicap" now ?

 

AP repeatedly failed to demonstrate an understanding of how to change tactics and how to use substitutes in order to get results at certain clubs. There is a world of difference between taking a unique decision that doesnt go right and making the same mistake repeatedly.

[ALWAYS_SFC]

What handicaps ? Is several million quid to build a squad over a year a f**king "handicap" now ?

 

AP repeatedly failed to demonstrate an understanding of how to change tactics and how to use substitutes in order to get results at certain clubs. There is a world of difference between taking a unique decision that doesnt go right and making the same mistake repeatedly.

 

Oh dear,

 

I will spell it out one more time for you..

 

A poor,no very poor badly motivated squad.

Lots of young players,overused young players,several who turned out to be not good enough sadly

Older players who were also not good enough

A 10 point deduction

No pre season...

 

Maybe you don`t consider a 10 point deficit a handicap...

 

Your view on the tactics/subs etc is your entitlement but we don`t all have to agree.

Edited 1 September, 2010 by ALWAYS_SFC

[Bartosz Bialkowski]

It is not about blindly accepting decisions. Its about being realistic and in some cases, giving the benefit of the doubt.

 

At the final whistle last night, Alex OC flicked up the ball and intentionally smacked it at the fans in the Northam, he was furious. Furious that the crowd would sing the departed Managers name. Why?

 

Kelvin Davis has conceeded that some players werent happy with Pardew

 

We obviously have money to spend, we've just wasted in excess of 1million buying Pardew out of his contract. So why havent we bought players with the pace that we so obviously need?

 

We dont know, thats the reality. We havent got a f**king clue.

 

Cortese is a clever Man, a determined and driven man who is dedicated to providing the Liebherr family with the Premier League club that Markus dreamed of. Give the guy a break and judge him on the Manager appointment NOT the rumours on Sky, we all know that the negotiations will be totally under wraps. If anything, we should be thankfull that names like Paul Hart are in the public domain, that for me confirms he hasnt been speaking to Cortese.

[Andy_Porter]

What handicaps ? Is several million quid to build a squad over a year a f**king "handicap" now ?

 

AP repeatedly failed to demonstrate an understanding of how to change tactics and how to use substitutes in order to get results at certain clubs. There is a world of difference between taking a unique decision that doesnt go right and making the same mistake repeatedly.

 

2.1ppg since he spent the bulk of him millions. And he got results from mixing things up a few times since the January window (Yeovil a, Brighton a, Charlton h) we mixed 4-5-1 and 4-4-2 a fair bit with varying results.

 

The problem was that we couldn't hold on to 1-0 leads away - Exeter, Brentford, Wycombe and Milwall, not being able to get the second goal while Barnard was still settling and Connolly was injured was what cost us in the end IMO.

[Liquidshokk]

Liquid, I'm not far behind you. I've been very pro-Cortese, but this last episode has shattered my faith somewhat. I'm still, just, the other side of the fence though: only because I can still see plausible explainations that are perfectly rational. If a top manager is suddenly unveiled by Cortese, almost all of the fans will be back on-side... if a fairly useless manager like Hart is appointed, and no further explaination for events is provided, I'll swap sides too, and be calling for his resignation. Last chance Nicola.

 

Maybe I just dont trust cortese to get this next move right. I dont personally think he makes decisions for the right reasons. I do however think that he was pushed into making an announcement on the OS when the original rumours about pardew possibly being given the boot came about, so hoping he will use his head and is taking note of the caliber of manager the saints fans are collectively asking for....

[Liquidshokk]

It is not about blindly accepting decisions. Its about being realistic and in some cases, giving the benefit of the doubt.

 

At the final whistle last night, Alex OC flicked up the ball and intentionally smacked it at the fans in the Northam, he was furious. Furious that the crowd would sing the departed Managers name. Why?

 

Kelvin Davis has conceeded that some players werent happy with Pardew

 

We obviously have money to spend, we've just wasted in excess of 1million buying Pardew out of his contract. So why havent we bought players with the pace that we so obviously need?

 

We dont know, thats the reality. We havent got a f**king clue.

 

Cortese is a clever Man, a determined and driven man who is dedicated to providing the Liebherr family with the Premier League club that Markus dreamed of. Give the guy a break and judge him on the Manager appointment NOT the rumours on Sky, we all know that the negotiations will be totally under wraps. If anything, we should be thankfull that names like Paul Hart are in the public domain, that for me confirms he hasnt been speaking to Cortese.

 

tbf we dont know why OC did that. Might be something to do with the morons booing the team. As much as I was p!ssed off with the game last night booing doesn't help the players moving forward

[Whitey Grandad]

100% right. some fans always expect owners to splash the cash ,,but they think have right to slag off just coz they buy a ticket

 

Er, who are the customers here?

[Bartosz Bialkowski]

Er, who are the customers here?

 

We're not customers, we're supporters.

 

We're just not very good at it

[Andy_Porter]

We're not customers, we're supporters.

 

We're just not very good at it

 

The support was fantastic at Bristol Rovers.

[Bwanamakubwa]

Its a tough one to call and the truth is we only have speculation and rumours. Nobody on here knows and that frustrates the hell out of us.

 

This time just over a year ago I had almost accepted that the team I supported was going out of business, disappearing into the history books. That meant I lost not only my football club but my love of football altogether as I couldnt have supported anyone else. It doesnt excuse some of the questionable decisions made by Cortese, but right now its a **** site better than the gun barrel we were facing.

[Bartosz Bialkowski]

The support was fantastic at Bristol Rovers.

 

Yeah, we have 2,200 good'ns, when we're winning

[ALWAYS_SFC]

We're not customers, we're supporters.

 

We're just not very good at it

 

Please determine "being good at supporting"

[Andy_Porter]

Yeah, we have 2,200 good'ns, when we're winning

 

The same as pretty much every other team in the country then.

[Bartosz Bialkowski]

Please determine "being good at supporting"

 

1 nil down at home in the first round of a competition we are the holders of, chanting the name of a Manager who was dismissed = "not good at supporting"

 

The players responded well didnt they. Good job.

[The9]

so you expected Liebherr and Cortese to stump up over 20million just to support the status quo that got us there in the first place, did you ?

 

No, but I expected them to improve things, rather than recreate some of the worst decisions made by the people preceding them regarding poor communication, marginalising fans and sacking managers for no apparent reason without a contingency plan.

[The9]

1 nil down at home in the first round of a competition we are the holders of, chanting the name of a Manager who was dismissed = "not good at supporting"

 

The players responded well didnt they. Good job.

 

Bigger picture required on that one, I think. Sacking a successful manager = "not good at being Chairman".

Voicing concerns to said Chairman at earliest opportunity = "good at supporting club"

[Bwanamakubwa]

No, but I expected them to improve things, rather than recreate some of the worst decisions made by the people preceding them regarding poor communication, marginalising fans and sacking managers for no apparent reason without a contingency plan.

 

No apparent reason. There is one, we just dont know about it.

[Bartosz Bialkowski]

Bigger picture required on that one, I think. Sacking a successful manager = "not good at being Chairman".

Voicing concerns to said Chairman at earliest opportunity = "good at supporting club"

 

The bigger picture is we dont really know why he was sacked! But the cost (hard to justify to a business man like Cortese) and the timing suggest such reasons did exist. Add that to the confirmation that there were unhappy players and Alex OC's reaction, earns Cortese the benefit of the doubt IMO.

[The9]

The bigger picture is we dont really know why he was sacked! But the cost (hard to justify to a business man like Cortese) and the timing suggest such reasons did exist. Add that to the confirmation that there were unhappy players and Alex OC's reaction, earns Cortese the benefit of the doubt IMO.

 

You're taking "17-year old playing in one of his first professional matches works his backside off" as evidence there was a problem in the squad are you ? I think that's a bit of a reach, he seems happier than most.

 

He also did the same thing under Pardew. Deserves a start based on last night, but then he's been working well as an impact sub too, and that would have been a matter of time anyway.

 

There aren't that many squad players who deserve to be in the team, and the ones who aren't are MEANT to be peeved.

[Bartosz Bialkowski]

You're taking "17-year old playing in one of his first professional matches works his backside off" as evidence there was a problem in the squad are you ? I think that's a bit of a reach, he seems happier than most.

 

He also did the same thing under Pardew. Deserves a start based on last night, but then he's been working well as an impact sub too, and that would have been a matter of time anyway.

 

There aren't that many squad players who deserve to be in the team, and the ones who aren't are MEANT to be peeved.

 

Did you go to the game? (no slating intended many didnt) I am referring to his reaction at the final whistle

[jasonb]

Edited for being a load of sh*t

Edited 1 September, 2010 by jasonb

[Whitey Grandad]

We're not customers, we're supporters.

 

We're just not very good at it

The bulk of the club's income comes through the turnstiles. The club is not a charity, Cortese is paid to do his job and we supporters/customers are the ones paying it. In my books a supporter is someone who follows the team and cares about its results but does not necessarily pay to watch them.

[ALWAYS_SFC]

1 nil down at home in the first round of a competition we are the holders of, chanting the name of a Manager who was dismissed = "not good at supporting"

 

The players responded well didnt they. Good job.

 

That`s it is it....