Corbyn's & Sultana's new party

[leesaint88]

It'll be interesting to see how this lot get on, certainly they are actively targeting those on the mid/far left within the Labour Party and at the same time potentially have wiped out the greens who have been occupying that ground since Corbyn left the Labour Leadership. 

Can they gain a foothold within the UK political party system? 

[Lord Duckhunter]

Votes at 16 will probably give them a boost, and if those Gaza independent nut jobs join up, there could be some interesting battles in some  constituencies. I doubt they’ll get many, if any, lefty labour MP’s peeling away and joining up. As Soubry & her band of clowns found out, it’s incredibly difficult to hold on against official candidates when you jump ship, and Labour tend to be a pretty loyal lot anyway.
 

Old Corbyn & the Gaza lot aside (if they join), I can’t see them getting any seats, but they may cost Labour a couple of dozen. 
 

 

Edited yesterday at 11:59 by Lord Duckhunter

[Gloucester Saint]

Unlikely they’ll do much outside of the M25 ring really, possibly pick up 2-3 seats there and as Duck says possibly ditto the Midlands and at a push Lancashire mill towns assuming the Gaza situation is still boiling hot by 2029. but Lib Dem/Green voters won’t go anywhere near them (I speak as one) and Corbyn is despised by most of the media. 

Edited yesterday at 12:20 by Gloucester Saint

[Holmes_and_Watson]

17 minutes ago, Lord Duckhunter said:

Votes at 16 will probably give them a boost, and if those Gaza independent nut jobs join up, there could be some interesting battles in some  constituencies. I doubt they’ll get many, if any, lefty labour MP’s peeling away and joining up. As Soubry & her band of clowns found out, it’s incredibly difficult to hold on against official candidates when you jump ship, and Labour tend to be a pretty loyal lot anyway.
 

Old Corbyn & the Gaza lot aside (if they join), I can’t see them getting any seats, but they may cost Labour a couple of dozen. 
 

 

I agree that there are plenty of those who share Corbyn's views still fighting against Starmer's side within the Labour party. They will continue their fight there, with a chance of getting power, rather than jump ship to a new outfit.

And yes, by lowering the voting age to 16, Corbyn should get a boost (assuming they field enough candidates). Labour would still get a boost, just not as much as they'd have liked. 

As with Reform on the right, Labour will be keeping an eye on this new party, denying being affected by it. Until they gain popularity, when that would begin to shift as they seek to keep those votes.

[hypochondriac]

3 hours ago, Gloucester Saint said:

Unlikely they’ll do much outside of the M25 ring really, possibly pick up 2-3 seats there and as Duck says possibly ditto the Midlands and at a push Lancashire mill towns assuming the Gaza situation is still boiling hot by 2029. but Lib Dem/Green voters won’t go anywhere near them (I speak as one) and Corbyn is despised by most of the media. 

Why? I could see a load of youngsters going for these guys over someone like the greens. Corbyn still has a bit of cult of personality and recognition to the average person on the street. No one has ever heard of any of the green party personalities beyond Caroline lucas who is long gone. 

[SotonianWill]

46 minutes ago, hypochondriac said:

Why? I could see a load of youngsters going for these guys over someone like the greens. Corbyn still has a bit of cult of personality and recognition to the average person on the street. No one has ever heard of any of the green party personalities beyond Caroline lucas who is long gone. 

Polanski, running to be Green leader, is seen by lots of young lefties as charismatic (calling for eco populism). Anyone right of their deluded position is likely to see him as he is: a dull man who just says what his small base want. 
 

It’s the same for Corbyn. He has the charisma of a damp dishcloth yet because he says freebies for all he’s “charismatic.” 

[Gloucester Saint]

58 minutes ago, hypochondriac said:

Why? I could see a load of youngsters going for these guys over someone like the greens. Corbyn still has a bit of cult of personality and recognition to the average person on the street. No one has ever heard of any of the green party personalities beyond Caroline lucas who is long gone. 

Not in places like Herefordshire not too far from here where the Greens have seats. Some of their voters are ex-Tory left and would never vote for Corbyn plus he’s mainly urban appeal. Not much for rural areas.

[hypochondriac]

39 minutes ago, SotonianWill said:

Polanski, running to be Green leader, is seen by lots of young lefties as charismatic (calling for eco populism). Anyone right of their deluded position is likely to see him as he is: a dull man who just says what his small base want. 
 

It’s the same for Corbyn. He has the charisma of a damp dishcloth yet because he says freebies for all he’s “charismatic.” 

Don't get me wrong I think he's a fruit loop at best and a deluded old fool. I'm just saying he clearly commands a reasonable amount of support still and will get more swing votes than some expect based purely on who he is.

[hypochondriac]

35 minutes ago, Gloucester Saint said:

Not in places like Herefordshire not too far from here where the Greens have seats. Some of their voters are ex-Tory left and would never vote for Corbyn plus he’s mainly urban appeal. Not much for rural areas.

Maybe not there but lets be honest, no ex tory that lent Labour their vote are going to do that again. 

[Gloucester Saint]

1 minute ago, hypochondriac said:

Maybe not there but lets be honest, no ex tory that lent Labour their vote are going to do that again. 

Dunno, depends what transpires. If you’re prepared to vote Labour as a rarity Lib Dem is more the next logical step. 

[trousers]

Being a pragmatist (and erstwhile Conservative voter) I voted for an independent candidate last time

Edited 19 hours ago by trousers

[hypochondriac]

Just now, Gloucester Saint said:

Dunno, depends what transpires. If you’re prepared to vote Labour as a rarity Lib Dem is more the next logical step. 

My point was simply that the far left, the idealistic youngsters and the self described socialists (the people who love Novara Media and Owen Jones) are all going to be attracted to the idea of voting for Corbyn and many of these would have possibly voted Green in the past. 

Ex Tory voters certainly aren't the demographic that Corbyn would be targeting. That's what basically lost him the election against May. 

[Lighthouse]

Think it's good for pretty much everyone TBH. Labour can focus on trying to be (re)electable, with fewer distractions in the background and the idealists who feel they've been stabbed in the back by Starmer and co. can vote for their cult hero.

If it hurts anyone it'll be the Greens IMO.

[Gloucester Saint]

1 hour ago, hypochondriac said:

My point was simply that the far left, the idealistic youngsters and the self described socialists (the people who love Novara Media and Owen Jones) are all going to be attracted to the idea of voting for Corbyn and many of these would have possibly voted Green in the past. 

Ex Tory voters certainly aren't the demographic that Corbyn would be targeting. That's what basically lost him the election against May. 

The Greens did have a spell of being left of everybody but since their breakthrough last July they’ve pivoted back towards the Caroline Lucas ecological centre ground. With the amount of houses the other parties want to build I can see them staying there. 

The Greens might hurt Labour in a few urban seats actually if they climb down on net zero and Miliband gets the tin tack.