alpine_saint Posted 9 April, 2009 Share Posted 9 April, 2009 ...if he were a stink-normal CEO of a privately-owned Saints, with his pay and continuation of his job directly-related to the on-pitch results, without having to look over his shoulder at all this plc/corporate law bullshiiit ? I wonder about this. He's firing off in the press about loving Saints and would help if he could, would he come back under such conditions and what sort of job would he do ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dubai_phil Posted 9 April, 2009 Share Posted 9 April, 2009 ...if he were a stink-normal CEO of a privately-owned Saints, with his pay and continuation of his job directly-related to the on-pitch results, without having to look over his shoulder at all this plc/corporate law bullshiiit ? I wonder about this. He's firing off in the press about loving Saints and would help if he could, would he come back under such conditions and what sort of job would he do ? Seriously?? - you?? honestly??? Is it true that you're rumoured to be putting together a consortium with him? OK then I'll bite Contract Negotiations Manager reporting TO the Director of Football The DoF instructs who he wants to buy or who the club has been made an offer for. He details the budget and tells Lowe to get on with it... At least in THAT area - such as the sell-on clauses, he has a better than "poor" batting average. He may possibly be allowed out into other critical negotiation areas where a win for the club is critical, but in anything that involves personal relationships or politics like planning permission for JF - no way But in reality........ You already knew the real answer, although FWIW once he stops vommitting ego all over the media and actually starts to tell the juicy stuff with facts and figures he may come out of it in a better light, but by that time we'll have moved on and won't give a fook Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eurosaint Posted 9 April, 2009 Share Posted 9 April, 2009 Christ, I think that this has been done to death ! I presume you want people to suggest that he should be a dustman or something ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
del boy Posted 9 April, 2009 Share Posted 9 April, 2009 Let it go ...its over, you'll feel better Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alpine_saint Posted 9 April, 2009 Author Share Posted 9 April, 2009 Christ, I think that this has been done to death ! I presume you want people to suggest that he should be a dustman or something ? Grow up. Its a serious question. I am wondering if he we would quite effective in this role - IF power, ego and ownership issues were irrelevant to him. He says he wants to help - could he do the Lee Hoos / Peter Kenyon - type role well ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alpine_saint Posted 9 April, 2009 Author Share Posted 9 April, 2009 Whoever buys this club still has to put a decent administrator in place. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
St Landrew Posted 9 April, 2009 Share Posted 9 April, 2009 Now there's a question. The objection to Rupert Lowe is not his business prowess, which is undoubtedly considerable. True, he took his corporate eye off the ball in an amazing fashion, when it was clear that he considered other business acitivities within the club to be equal to success on the pitch. He forgot that all of those things are supported by, and are entirely secondary to football success. Perhaps he never learned that fundamental lesson of football in the first place. Leaving that aside, it's his attitude, man-management and PR that comes across as incredibly poor. Why don't people like Rupert..? Why does he make some people want to vomit..? Why didn't people want to invest so much as a single penny, and yet they're falling over themselves now..? [yes, I know it's cheaper now, but you get the idea] Personally, I could take years of his smooth treacle city charm, if it didn't put off the people that mattered, i.e. the people who bring in the money. If it is true that Southampton Football Cliub has got under his skin, then I pity him. Because it has got under the skin of everyone here, and we're tired from the last years of wrangling, largely caused by the way the club had been set up, which he helped to bring about. He can be rightly proud of his place in the building of St Marys [although I'm sure it will eventually prove to be too small, as I said when it was first completed], which is a fine stadium, and produces plenty of atmosphere when it is full - which it will return to being, given half a chance. He can be rightly proud of his ramping up of the already excellent Youth system into a full academy. I won't go into his errors, as they have been trawled over enough. Rupert was an employee and a tiny shareholder. Employees have a tendency to depart when their effective time is up. Either they retire, or they get the boot, with or without thanks. It's tough. Goodbye Rupert. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alpine_saint Posted 9 April, 2009 Author Share Posted 9 April, 2009 Now there's a question. The objection to Rupert Lowe is not his business prowess, which is undoubtedly considerable. True, he took his corporate eye off the ball in an amazing fashion, when it was clear that he considered other business acitivities within the club to be equal to success on the pitch. He forgot that all of those things are supported by, and are entirely secondary to football success. Perhaps he never learned that fundamental lesson of football in the first place. Leaving that aside, it's his attitude, man-management and PR that comes across as incredibly poor. Why don't people like Rupert..? Why does he make some people want to vomit..? Why didn't people want to invest so much as a single penny, and yet they're falling over themselves now..? [yes, I know it's cheaper now, but you get the idea] Personally, I could take years of his smooth treacle city charm, if it didn't put off the people that mattered, i.e. the people who bring in the money. If it is true that Southampton Football Cliub has got under his skin, then I pity him. Because it has got under the skin of everyone here, and we're tired from the last years of wrangling, largely caused by the way the club had been set up, which he helped to bring about. He can be rightly proud of his place in the building of St Marys [although I'm sure it will eventually prove to be too small, as I said when it was first completed], which is a fine stadium, and produces plenty of atmosphere when it is full - which it will return to being, given half a chance. He can be rightly proud of his ramping up of the already excellent Youth system into a full academy. I won't go into his errors, as they have been trawled over enough. Rupert was an employee and a tiny shareholder. Employees have a tendency to depart when their effective time is up. Either they retire, or they get the boot, with or without thanks. It's tough. Goodbye Rupert. But hang on. The clubs strategy and direction will not be of his making, it will be of the owner's. I am of the opinion that, taking the media- and public-facing role away from him and making him the chief administrator, is not a bad idea, if he were willing to face the challenge. Which he is probably not, I know; when he means "help", history reveals he means "control and dominate". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
St Landrew Posted 9 April, 2009 Share Posted 9 April, 2009 But hang on. The clubs strategy and direction will not be of his making, it will be of the owner's. I am of the opinion that, taking the media- and public-facing role away from him and making him the chief administrator, is not a bad idea, if he were willing to face the challenge. Which he is probably not, I know; when he means "help", history reveals he means "control and dominate". And that's exactly where the problem exists. You've answered your own question very well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eurosaint Posted 9 April, 2009 Share Posted 9 April, 2009 Grow up. Its a serious question. I am wondering if he we would quite effective in this role - IF power, ego and ownership issues were irrelevant to him. He says he wants to help - could he do the Lee Hoos / Peter Kenyon - type role well ? Alpine, You could start a fight in an empty house ! The vast majority of posters on here (including yourself) do not want to see the man back at SMS in any capacity so I presume that you just want to hear it all over again, why ?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ottery st mary Posted 9 April, 2009 Share Posted 9 April, 2009 Now there's a question. The objection to Rupert Lowe is not his business prowess, which is undoubtedly considerable. True, he took his corporate eye off the ball in an amazing fashion, when it was clear that he considered other business acitivities within the club to be equal to success on the pitch. He forgot that all of those things are supported by, and are entirely secondary to football success. Perhaps he never learned that fundamental lesson of football in the first place. Leaving that aside, it's his attitude, man-management and PR that comes across as incredibly poor. Why don't people like Rupert..? Why does he make some people want to vomit..? Why didn't people want to invest so much as a single penny, and yet they're falling over themselves now..? [yes, I know it's cheaper now, but you get the idea] Personally, I could take years of his smooth treacle city charm, if it didn't put off the people that mattered, i.e. the people who bring in the money. If it is true that Southampton Football Cliub has got under his skin, then I pity him. Because it has got under the skin of everyone here, and we're tired from the last years of wrangling, largely caused by the way the club had been set up, which he helped to bring about. He can be rightly proud of his place in the building of St Marys [although I'm sure it will eventually prove to be too small, as I said when it was first completed], which is a fine stadium, and produces plenty of atmosphere when it is full - which it will return to being, given half a chance. He can be rightly proud of his ramping up of the already excellent Youth system into a full academy. I won't go into his errors, as they have been trawled over enough. Rupert was an employee and a tiny shareholder. Employees have a tendency to depart when their effective time is up. Either they retire, or they get the boot, with or without thanks. It's tough. Goodbye Rupert. Agree with above.....BUT......business prowess....undoubtedly considerable. Not able to argue......but personally not seen any evidence of this now or even before he joined in the reverse takover jobby....Just puzzled as to his claim to fame:rolleyes: Maybe someone has confirmed his antecedent history.. Then again someone at WH Ireland thought he was good or was he....Maybe not all his fault this money business. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alpine_saint Posted 9 April, 2009 Author Share Posted 9 April, 2009 Alpine, You could start a fight in an empty house ! The vast majority of posters on here (including yourself) do not want to see the man back at SMS in any capacity so I presume that you just want to hear it all over again, why ?? I want SFC to be successful. I think that it is impossible whilst Lowe is there being obsessed with off-pitch issues I think that it is possible if Lowe were there as a chief administrator tasked only with bringing success on the pitch with no distractions from that task. Lets face it, he's a bastard to negotiate with, apparently. The sort of job Lee Hoos was doing - WITH NO INTERFERENCE IN TEAM ISSUES, because vision would be set by the new owner. Not the opinion you were expecting, is it ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eurosaint Posted 9 April, 2009 Share Posted 9 April, 2009 I want SFC to be successful. I think that it is impossible whilst Lowe is there being obsessed with off-pitch issues I think that it is possible if Lowe were there as a chief administrator tasked only with bringing success on the pitch with no distractions from that task. Lets face it, he's a bastard to negotiate with, apparently. The sort of job Lee Hoos was doing - WITH NO INTERFERENCE IN TEAM ISSUES, because vision would be set by the new owner. Not the opinion you were expecting, is it ?[/QUOTE] Correct, I was not expecting it however I still think that is a pretty crap suggestion ! His very presence at the club is abhorrent to most fans and I don't imagine that it is impossible to find a competent administrator out there in the big wide world, why on earth he would be deemed the top choice is beyond me !!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alpine_saint Posted 9 April, 2009 Author Share Posted 9 April, 2009 I want SFC to be successful. I think that it is impossible whilst Lowe is there being obsessed with off-pitch issues I think that it is possible if Lowe were there as a chief administrator tasked only with bringing success on the pitch with no distractions from that task. Lets face it, he's a bastard to negotiate with, apparently. The sort of job Lee Hoos was doing - WITH NO INTERFERENCE IN TEAM ISSUES, because vision would be set by the new owner. Not the opinion you were expecting, is it ?[/QUOTE] Correct, I was not expecting it however I still think that is a pretty crap suggestion ! His very presence at the club is abhorrent to most fans and I don't imagine that it is impossible to find a competent administrator out there in the big wide world, why on earth he would be deemed the top choice is beyond me !!! Because he apparently loves the club, where as, just like Jim Hone, anyone else would be in it just for the money. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eurosaint Posted 9 April, 2009 Share Posted 9 April, 2009 Because he apparently loves the club, where as, just like Jim Hone, anyone else would be in it just for the money. Just let me get this right - Alpine_Saint is proposing that Rupert Lowe returns to the club as 'Chief Administrator' under the new set up ?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dubai_phil Posted 9 April, 2009 Share Posted 9 April, 2009 mods It looks like somebody must have hacked Alpine's account - he is starting the "LoweCDAJFU" party..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smirking_Saint Posted 9 April, 2009 Share Posted 9 April, 2009 I dunno, i think he could have if he didn't have such an ego, i do believe that his return (although undoubtedly was to also save him money) was as he realised how in the sh!t the club was. We don't know just how desperate it was when he first came back or also if he devastated it more ?? He made some bad decisions as far as the football was concerned but believe he has probably got decent business acumen and obviously knows his way around the law. Unfortunately a football club can't be run like a business. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Torres Posted 9 April, 2009 Share Posted 9 April, 2009 Just let me get this right - Alpine_Saint is proposing that Rupert Lowe returns to the club as 'Chief Administrator' under the new set up ?? Just when you thought he couldn't get any more ridiculous. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
St Landrew Posted 9 April, 2009 Share Posted 9 April, 2009 Just let me get this right - Alpine_Saint is proposing that Rupert Lowe returns to the club as 'Chief Administrator' under the new set up ?? No, I don't think he is. He's just doing a bit of devil's advocate, and suggesting that Lowe's strengths could be used to the club's advantage. But then he knows why this couldn't happen anyway. It's a perfectly reasonable subject for debate, but the opinion is going to be rather one-sided, as Alpine knows. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sidthesquid Posted 9 April, 2009 Share Posted 9 April, 2009 The thing with Lowe is that he is borderline mad/brilliant. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eurosaint Posted 9 April, 2009 Share Posted 9 April, 2009 Just when you thought he couldn't get any more ridiculous. There must be something in the air up those mountains !! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ottery st mary Posted 9 April, 2009 Share Posted 9 April, 2009 The thing with Lowe is that he is borderline mad/brilliant. Some on here have said the same about you and me sid...Have no fear I will get the both of them on your behalf. Sorry they leaned towards MAD Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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