Tomobz Posted 23 April, 2009 Share Posted 23 April, 2009 (edited) Why do they think that when a football club has already shot itself in the foot it is a good idea to then inflict a further punishment to the clubs? Do they want to kill off football clubs altogether because they made financial errors? I think the whole ten point deduction to clubs entering admin is a disgrace and the man who thought it up is single handedly leading to the demise of great footballing cities. The footballing authorities should be trying to help clubs that are falling into the pits, not kicking them when they're down to make sure they are screwed, they seem to forget that without these clubs the football league wouldn't excist. How they treated Luton Town last year is nothing short of criminal and now they are doing the same to us. I think of it as the same thing as if they saw a person getting decked they wouldn't try and help them but would instead just grab a brick and smack it over the persons head to make sure they are dead. Football league = Tossers. Edited 23 April, 2009 by Tomobz Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint dyer Posted 23 April, 2009 Share Posted 23 April, 2009 agreed C*nts!! seeing lord maw****ingwhinney smirking made my blood boil!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaintNeil90 Posted 23 April, 2009 Share Posted 23 April, 2009 (edited) Trouble is i believe it was football league clubs that voted for the system in the first place. Correct me if im wrong. Edited 23 April, 2009 by SaintNeil90 spelling... again Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stardustonmyfeet Posted 23 April, 2009 Share Posted 23 April, 2009 waist size? something's been lost in translation there, methinks... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scott_saints Posted 23 April, 2009 Share Posted 23 April, 2009 I've noticed no one seemed to care about the points deduction so much when it didn't affect us... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tomobz Posted 23 April, 2009 Author Share Posted 23 April, 2009 Btw think about this, if for some messed up reason United had this happen to them (bare in mind the fact that thay have like 20x the amount of debt we have) do you think this Lord************tosserwhinney would come up with the same decision? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheSaint75 Posted 23 April, 2009 Share Posted 23 April, 2009 Trouble is i believe it was football league clubs that voted for the system in the first place. Correct me if im wrong. Wasn't the main reason to stop clubs not being able pay other clubs owed transfer fees or buying players outside their financial ability.....which does not apply to us, loss of gate receipts has cost us? Youre right the the FL a complete tos5ers Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tomobz Posted 23 April, 2009 Author Share Posted 23 April, 2009 I've noticed no one seemed to care about the points deduction so much when it didn't affect us... Yeah but now when its on your doorstep it makes you realise how ridiculous it is. (I must admit that I lol'd when it happened to Leeds) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saintwarwick Posted 23 April, 2009 Share Posted 23 April, 2009 I've noticed no one seemed to care about the points deduction so much when it didn't affect us... I questioned the points deduction that Luton, Bournemouth etc got because it seems like the football league are trying to kill of the clubs. Now I know that clubs need to be punished but to give a points deduction is a financial punishment imo and the reason these clubs have the deduction in the first place is because of financial issues so in effect putting them deeper in the sh1te. To think it was two years and two weks ago that we played Luton in a championship fixture and they are now in the conference as of next season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shandy_Top_89 Posted 23 April, 2009 Share Posted 23 April, 2009 Btw think about this, if for some messed up reason United had this happen to them (bare in mind the fact that thay have like 20x the amount of debt we have) do you think this Lord************tosserwhinney would come up with the same decision? He cant anyways because the football league has no control over premier league sides. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trousers Posted 23 April, 2009 Share Posted 23 April, 2009 Why do they think that when a football club has already shot itself in the foot it is a good idea to then inflict a further punishment to the clubs? Do they want to kill off football clubs altogether because they made financial errors? I think the whole ten point deduction to clubs entering admin is a disgrace and the man who thought it up is single handedly leading to the demise of great footballing cities. I tend to agree - the points penalty punishes the fans more than it does the management. That said, there needs to be a punishment of some sort for financial mismanagement otherwise unscrupulous clubs would buy players they couldn't afford to try and gain an advantage over clubs who manage their finances more prudently. However, I'm not sure if the Football League have the jurisdiction to financially penalise the individuals running the clubs as I guess it's not strictly speaking "illegal" to over commit a company's spending which is why they resort to the 'easy option' of penalising the fans. Dunno. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deano6 Posted 23 April, 2009 Share Posted 23 April, 2009 Presumably it's a deterrant against mismanaging the club above it's resources, taking a gamble on promotion and leaving the creditors to foot the bill when it all goes wrong - which is exactly what we appear to have done. We are not blameless here (talking about 'the Club' here, rather than the fans). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beer Engine Posted 23 April, 2009 Share Posted 23 April, 2009 The point of the League's Insolvency Policy is to ensure that no club can gain a competitive advantage by living beyond its means and then walking away from the debt. The obvious scenario would be where a club (SFC for example) gambled huge sums of money it doesn't have in trying to gain promotion to the Premiership. The theory is that clubs would be encouraged to do this if they thought that they could avoid having to pay their debts by going into administration and subsequently selling the good bits to a Phoenix company that would take the League share and other assets free of debt and at a knock-down price. Unfortunately, we gambled £7.5 million that we don't have on a team whose only achievement has been to stay ahead of Charlton. Had we been near the top of the Championship at the time we went into administration, then we might have understood the sanction better on an emotional level. How pathetic is that. We can't even cheat properly! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eelpie Posted 23 April, 2009 Share Posted 23 April, 2009 Mawhinny is a Thatcherite. He has no qualms about destroying, rather than helping, failing companies, so s*d the workers and the fans. He'll be telling us to get on our bike and support another club next. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eelpie Posted 23 April, 2009 Share Posted 23 April, 2009 Presumably ...... leaving the creditors to foot the bill when it all goes wrong - which is exactly what we appear to have done. But if we were a bank our toxic assets would be nationalised and the good bits would be saved for the company.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Papa Shango Posted 23 April, 2009 Share Posted 23 April, 2009 I fully understand and accept why the football league hands out these punishments. I just think it's a real shame that so many of these issues are resolved off the pitch these days in the lower leagues. League 2 is a joke this year with all those teams having deductions. Meanwhile, Lowe and co walk away unscathed and we have to suffer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cowesboy Posted 23 April, 2009 Share Posted 23 April, 2009 We built a stadium that gave us an advantage over our competitors, in the sense of the extra income it could generate. At the end of the day we couldn't afford the mortgage. We are now just paying the price for that. Lets just accept it and stop bleeting about how hard done by we are. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Verbal Posted 23 April, 2009 Share Posted 23 April, 2009 We built a stadium that gave us an advantage over our competitors, in the sense of the extra income it could generate. At the end of the day we couldn't afford the mortgage. We are now just paying the price for that. Lets just accept it and stop bleeting about how hard done by we are. No, bleating is good. We built a stadium to stand a cat in hell's chance, post Taylor Report and Sky largesse, of continuing to compete in the Premiership. Points deduction is too blunt an instrument. Was it really the Football League's intention, when the system was introduced, to drive clubs virtually to extinction, as they have with Luton? But the worst of it is that the problem actually originates in the Premiership. The ridiculous wages paid in that league trickle down into the lower leagues - ramping up the cost of being in the game for every lower league club. But do Premiership clubs face the threat of points deduction? No. The points deduction system is just as crude as Mawhinney's dim-witted, inept proposal for a salary cap - which was at least a vague recognition that the trickle-down effect was seriously damaging clubs in the lower leagues. Of course, the genius that Mawhinney certainly isn't, hadn't worked out what to do with the clubs that were relegated from the Prem. You can't just override legally binding player contracts in relegated clubs and impose capped salaries, so the salary cap would probably not be applied to them. Combine the salary advantage with the parachute payment system and, hey presto - Mawhinney has accidentally created a system where there is no real relegation from the Prem. The clubs at the bottom each season would, with proper management, simply bounce back the next. In other words, the clubs which Mawhinney is supposed to represent would have ever diminishing chances of breaking into the Prem. Brilliant. Give that man a peerage. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ziggy Posted 24 April, 2009 Share Posted 24 April, 2009 It's a deterrent, as simple as that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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