CB Fry

Well, there were lots of things that could have been considered - a threshold, a regional electoral college, a different question. Who knows. At the end of the day you need to win the election or referendum you've been dealt, and Remain lost. Your hero is a lifelong leaver and got the result everyone knows he wanted so not sure what your point is a why you're addressing it to me. Also not relevant in a Trump thread.

Yes, sounds fair and fine to me - as I said I am no expert. However, Clinton still had to win the election that she was actually in, not the "yeah-but-no the system" one we can all discuss after the fact. But she didn't win, because she couldn't win states that Democrats typically win if they want the White House.

The one who gets the most electoral college votes, I'm afraid. There are states that Clinton should have walked but Trump took. Like Corbyn piling up vanity votes in North London, the absolute vote count is not (and should not) be the only determining factor. There's always a need to balance the votes of less populated areas. I'm no fan if FPTP and I am no expert on the US system but if Clinton couldn't win Michigan then she didn't deserve to win the Presidency - stacking up votes in California and NY just irrelevant.

I do agree that the Premier League really need to drop their demands that the final matches of the season are played in the courtyards of retirement homes. Despicable.

And? That's the whole point of the government's strategy - it's highly infectious so once it goes into a household, everyone in that household is very vulnerable. Do you think Dr Harries was suggesting everyone should pile on a train or a bus to get away from their disease ridden homes?

I think it is reasonable to assume that some shortcuts will be taken.

I think it's great that at today's press conference the journalists have stopped demanding to hear details of the easing of restrictions ("why are you treating the British public like children") to complaining that the British people are now confused because some details of the easing of restrictions has been revealed ("why have you hinted at that at the beginning of the sunny bank holiday weekend"?) Sheesh.

I can't remember the content. However, Nikki Kanani the Director of Primary Care for NHS England was great.

Press conference absolutely exceptional today.

All we ask for is to be entertained, win or lose.

All clubs don't need to agree in fairness. The Premier League works on a defined majority voting system - can't remember exactly but it'll be 14 or 16 clubs that need to agree for it to carry.

Crash, bang, wallop. I've heard he's interested. Back of the net.

Once the estate agents get involved putting ideas in their heads it's difficult for arable land like that to remain focused.

I find it difficult to believe that the club would have let one of the most prized chunks of real estate in the northern hemisphere slip through their fingers.

10/10.

Announcement on Tuesday, all being well.

Switzerland is the home of the Toblerone after all.

Ooof. That's awful. Get well soon.

Maik Taylor was a forces child and was born in Germany but there must be someone since then, surely?

Le Tissier is Shearer's mate and Ian Wright was full of praise and was raving about his best goals video. Matty got plenty of airtime on the programme last night too.

Just to recap, you described a few behind closed doors football matches as "the most high risk activity you can think of" in the context of this crisis and then said you were fine with 40,000 hairdressers opening up serving millions of people in villages towns and cities all over the country. You don't understand anything about what is happening. Don't worry about it.

But the only person showing an emotional reaction is you. I don't think football is going to restart because I "give a sh it" about football, its because it would be an appropriate thing to do in the correct stage of a reduction of lockdown. Personally I I don't give a sh it about hairdressers. You are the only person making emotional, personal subjective judgements about who is allowed to be responsible for Covid deaths: someone connected to one of the 40,000 hairdressers fine, someone connected to professional sport not fine. Clear. But you realise that the opposite it also true in the boundaries you have drawn up. Single parent hairdresser has your permission to work to put food their table but the children of local journalist in Newcastle writing about Newcastle United, or a social media exec working for Burnley can fu ck off and starve. Clear.

Earlier up this thread you were complaining about other people making "false equivalences" and getting jolly upset. But yeah, well done on a really good point about, er, a Polo tournament at Eton. I think we all get it. You're absolutely hysterical.

We're going round in circles because you don't understand how this virus actually works. Once you've opened up every single hairdressers in Britain, once you've decided to take that risk - which you are quite happy with - then the additional risk of putting on some football matches behind closed doors is statistically jack sh it. There are millions of people in and out of hairdressers and garden centres and DIY shops and bookshops but that's all fine as long as you can make some "principles" point about an activity involving only hundreds of people, not millions and millions of people. Crystal clear. Your only actual objection to Premier League football is money is evil and TV companies are evil and the owners are evil and football is evil. But all of this was exactly the same three months ago. So maybe ask yourself what are you doing on a Premier League football club fans forum and supporting such an industry that you seem to object to so much?

But pumping out entertainment into people's homes can encourage them to stay at home. That is part of the thinking behind getting football back up and running. The government are supporting activities like this for that reason. It's a bit strange people don't understand that.