CB Fry

Now what are you on about? You think John Simpson agrees with your happy jolly united rainbow nation that you experienced on not one but two holidays? Alright then.

People say pretty innocuous statements like SA is not a united country - I'd call that a problem - and you scream prejudice because they haven't been on the same holiday as you. That's what I'm on about. All on this thread. Hope you had a lovely holiday.

I read what you'd written, and you played the relegation card, babbling about Hull City from a few years ago. What link do they have with us? None at all. Then going on to say it won't happen doesn't remove the fact you feel the need to mention relegation whenever the subject of trying to win a trophy comes up. You're not alone, it's a common theme. If you think I am naive to think we can finish top ten and get to the latter stages if a cup this season, then fine. You think that's naive. Noted. See you in April and lets see how we've done then. Remind me how I'm a whiner when I think we can do that, but you think we can't? How bad do you think we are?

Says the man screaming "prejudice" at anyone else articulating what some of those problems might be. Just you allowed to mention problems, then. But I do enjoy my geo-political analysis sponsored by Thomas Cook, so well done.

John Simpson was on the radio yesterday talking about Mandela's time as president not being particularly successful and how SA remains a country with massive social problems and huge inequality. But he's only been the BBC Foreign Affairs expert for thirty odd years. He hasn't been on that backpacking trip with Tamesaint so what the hell does he know?

And you ranted and raged both times even though they followed opposite courses of action. How does that work?

BIRMINGHAM CITY FFS

Well done, immediately playing the relegation card. We're not going down you wet blanket. Swansea win the cup and finish ninth in their second season - you really think that is so beyond us in our second season? Just a pathetic defeats attitude. And by the way, what happened to your dream of taking your kids to a cup final? You made it seem so jolly important in your collected ranting/whining about how horrible Portsmouth are. Now suddenly not so important after all. Oh well. Personally I'd love us to get to a cup final. And the sooner the better.

What kind of season can you envisage where you would care? Being that we got to the final with far less resource than we have now not long ago.

Don't France deserve special treatment as the fact they are a big country out-ranks their seeding? That was the entire basis of your last rant or have you forgotten this?

Fair play to him for not giving up his seat on the bus. Never forget.

Is Paulo Wanchop still going? Sign him up for the full set.

Define "promptly". Edit: just looked it up and happy to confirm total appearances by Chris Bard in our relegation season: zero. Not even one in the cups. David, if Hollywood ever makes "The Chris Baird Story" then they probably will go with your version.

What, apart from our recent form and current league position vs pre-Sunderland, you mean? Remember, these are facts, not speculation.

You forget Wigan. Cup win = certain relegation. Don't you know anything?

We were told dumping the cup would help our league form. It hasn't. End of argument.

Why do those clubs become so difficult to beat when it is a cup game? A few weeks back people could "see no reason why we cannot finish top four". Kinda need to beat the Chelseas of this earth to do that.

I'm still here and still say we should have played a stronger team at Sunderland and tried to win our first major trophy for thirty odd years. a) we apparently rested them to concentrate on our league position, we've slipped down the table on the back of that wonderful rest they all had. b) As Steve Grant has said despite the wonderful rest they had, we've got loads of injuries. So where are all the "its brilliant we're not trying to win a trophy" voices now, then?

Absolutely. If we were still in that joke of a competition we'd probably be battling against relegation. I mean LOOK AT WIGAN LOOK AT WIGAN LOOK AT WIGAN.

Why hasn't Delldays told us how he is "not bothered" by this yet? Disappointing.

Do you think you direct me to one forum contributor that is talking about us being relegated? I mean, you're saying a "group" so there must be quite a few.

I'd like to make it clear I am standing by this statement.

We were never going to get anything out of this game once we went 3-2 down.

This has three-all game written all over it. We will definitely score again. Calm down everyone.

When was this? Alps has been on here (and its predecessors) for nigh on a decade. As have I and it's always been like this, especially if we don't happen to be winning. We'll get at least a point today anyway.