CB Fry

Charlton one up against Colchester.

I think the only person who "gets off on failure" on this forum is you. You're the one who decided anyone who thought we could challenge for the play offs this season was "unrealistic" "needed a reality check" and all those other sneering comments you dished out at the start of the season. You also sneered at the idea of Pardew delivering instant success, which he has done this season, because it doens't fit your "everyone must be rubbish for three years because that how Lawrie did it" world view. And you sneer at the idea that buying players equates to a better team and better performance. It's your comments that makes Cortese shake his head and think why bother. Why bother giving Pardew any money for players when the likes of you shrug and sneer and say "it doesn't make any difference". Well screw you and your negativity. Thank you from me Alan Pardew for delivering instant success as I said you could and the likes of SOG sneered at: "What is this so-called instant success, you need a reality check sneer, sneer, wouldn't happen, doesn't happen, never happens, Lawrie said so" Thank you from me Cortese and Markus for spending money on fantastic new players. They've made our team better while the likes of SOG sneered at it: "money doesn't make any difference, doesn't buy success sneer sneer" Thank you for the fans who like me talked of the play offs in August. And not the likes of SOG who sneered at the very idea "get a reality check, grow up, kids today these days sneer, sneer, sneer" There's one person who "gets off on failure" on this forum and it's you.

Why would it be a mistake based on this season? Leeds are third, one point off automatic promotion and I'd stay still very, very likely to be promoted automatically. Leeds aren't eighth and they've been nowhere near eighth. They've been challenging for automatic promotion every single week of the season, including this week. An indisputable fact. As I said in the previous post, if Saints were in that position and people were completely writing off our chances of automatic promotion you'd be going ballistic. Leeds being one point off automatic promotion is another indisputable fact in my opinion. Look at the table. Kenny Jackett was doing a good job at Christmas and he is doing a great job now, again indisputable facts. It's just a myth that Kenny Jackett was being dragged through the streets of Deptford as some monumental failure because Millwall were eighth at Christmas. He was doing a great job and no one wanted him sacked. But if we are eighth at Christmas next season it is categorically not the same as Millwall being eighth at Christmas. It would be more like Chelsea being eighth at Christmas, or Leeds being eighth at Christmas this season. Which, funnily enough, they weren't. Much like Leicester weren't eighth in L1 last season's Christmas. They were in and around the top two. And Forest weren't eighth in L1 the Christmas before. They were in and around the top two. Because that's where clubs trying to get promoted need to be at Christmas. Not plan to be god-awful for half a season then hope to make some late charge. But hey, we don't want to compare ourselves to big, rich, well supported clubs like Forest and Leicester. We're nothing like them. We're teeny tiny pauper underdog Southampton. Just like Millwall.

Must have been a different Kenny Jackett and a different Millwall that finished fifth last season then. And as you accept - no one expected Millwall to finish top two. So why would the Millwall board sack Jackett for being eighth, perfectly well placed for the playoffs? It's an utterly false premise and bears no relation to our club, our expectations and our resources. And Leeds aren't now eighth weren't ever eighth and aren't going to finish eighth and are currently, err, third, one point off automatic but you've written them off for promotion. If someone else on this forum was saying this about Saints you'd be tearing them off a strip. Jackett was not asked to deliver automatic promotion at the beginning of the season. Grayson was and he was never eighth at Christmas and he's third now. That is a comparison suitable to Saints but you're ignoring that and making out that we are actually more similar to Millwall than Saints. Tiny, teeny, plucky underdog Southampton. Scrimping and scraping a team together with coppers and loose change just like Millwall. This is coming from you of all people, Mr spend-lots-of-money-and-success-will-definitely-follow. But now, success, for you, for a billionaire bankrolled multimillionpound team, is eighth. What a triumph that would be.

It feels like you are not destined for a season of struggle to stay in the division in August. That's what it felt like through out the entire 1990's (funnily enough it pretty much coincides with MLT's tenure). It went away (for me) at the start of Hoddle's season when it felt we were well placed for mid table. The feeling came back at the start of Sturrock's when staying up would have been fine. Feeling like a proper prem side feels like you belong there. Bolton, Blackburn, Fulham and Birmingham will go into next season feeling like "proper prem sides".

Sigh. We've had all these debates before. If we really did get full houses every time for yeovil and orient, what Would be the point of bothering to get promoted? It's just tediously disingenuous to pretend all football matches are of equal worth. They're not, so please get over it. Our first trip to wembley in 30 years gets more fans than a dead rubber against orient. What an outrage. Christ.

No. League one (and two) will finish on the saturday, the ccc on the sunday. Prem on the sunday the week after.

I'm all over your posts like a rash am I?! You're the one that keeps inviting me out for a drink. It's like being groomed by a facebook perv. Look, I am happy to admit you are the superest dooperest fan around. You're the best. But **** me you have zero sense of humour.

How so? It's the kind of story only the echo would report at this stage. If tried and convicted it'll make a line or two in the nationals and on the bbc.

So just to confirm in your world george burley was fantastically successful at saints. But on the other hand chelsea with league titles, euro cup finals, cups and season after season of top two, three finishes is proof that money doesn't buy success? What utter garbage you write. Over and over again.

We will never be rid of ego maniac we-know-best uberfans with these two fundemental beliefs: 1) "Doing something" is the only solution and as long as you are "doing something" you are beyond criticism. We're trying, how dare you question anything. 2) Saints fans know what's best because they are Saints fans. No other qualification, experience, background or attitude matters. Give the job to a Saints fan because they are a Saints fan. And the statue, the monument, the living shrine to these eternal we know best we are uberfans beliefs? What could it be....

We won't go all out to win the JPT next season. It is a trophy quite often won by L2 clubs for that very reason - Luton and MK won it as fourth tier clubs in the last couple of seasons. Pardew won't say it, but JPT will no way be on the agenda next season.

I'd rather read it. Far quicker. And who on earth wants to log in and watch an interview with the saints assistant manager? :smt015 I want newspapers to boil down the key points and tell me. Thank god they are still about to do it, in electronic or print form. Anyway I think Wilkins makes a fine point - our looming presence will prey on the minds of our rivals. We need a perfect end to the season, and us having that I am convinced will help influence one of our rivals to choke. As the song says, The Saints are coming.

That's a awfully long messageboard post for someone who "doesn't give a ****ing feck who booed" and closes it with "FFS Get a Life". God knows what "scale" of booing you seem to think I am "pontificating" about. All I've ever said is a few fans booed and you could hear it. On the day, in the ground I'd forgotten about it seconds after we all had a laugh about it in the moment. I'd call your "it was silence misconstrued as booing" as "pontificating" personally, but as you said it and you're superdooper fan you must be right. This thread is only amusing because of the lengths people are going to pretend something didn't happen when it did, especially people who then say they couldn't give a "***ing feck" about it. It seems you do, dear. I'm sorry you won't ever see me in the Saints Social Club, but do have a pint of anorak on me.

I was in the ground and heard the booing when the screen switched to Cortese. As I've already put in this thread, me, my mates and the people around me all started saying things like "what are they booing him for" and shrugging our shoulders and then laughing. It was ridiculous and hilarious, but it was not "silence misconstrued as boos" like you're trying to make out. It was boos construed* as boos. I've no idea what Sky did or didn't do as I was at the game and don't have Sky so didn't see any reruns either. And if you read the thread no one is talking about any "scale" of booing. It was a handful of fans, but you could hear it. There are pages of people like you desperately pretending it didn't happen, but Christ knows why. Nice to see the usual "I'm a better fan than you" routine from you. Wouldn't have expected anything else Mr Superdooperfan.

I agree with the original poster - we or Wembley should have engineered a singing section so people who want to sing could sit (stand) together. The atmosphere was not great because there were too many fans and the singers were clearly all spread out. (Obviously it was brilliant to have so many fans there but it was too many to get the wall of sound going). A sizeable cluster of singers in one corner would have got the rest of the ground going but songs didn't really seem to take off - the best example being the Ricky Lambert song didn't get going even when he'd scored. It seemed to have been sung by a few on the other side of the ground but not enough for it to take off and it definitely didn't where I was. I'm no super singer but would have sung more had songs got going, but it's difficult when surrounded by silence. I'm sure I wasn't alone in that.

Err - it's the people falling over themselves to make out it didn't happen that are "getting uptight" and "worrying what some fan in Sunderland thinks". Some idiot fans did it. They are idiots. End of discussion. It's those pretending that it never happened, no way, not never that are stringing this out.

I don't really see anyone making an issue apart from people pontificating about Sky making it up and it didn't happen and blah blah blah. Some fans booed Cortese, it was very odd and pretty dopey. I thought that at the time and I still think it. It wasn't and isn't a big deal but it was odd. The only thing that is a big deal is people contorting about pretending actually it didn't happen at all which is frankly bizarre. You can see how many bullsh it rumours end up on here when you can actually read people lying through their teeth just to make some lame-ass point to make themselves superior to other fans. "Silence misconstrued as boos". "It was all at Mawhinney". "Sky made it up". This thread isn't about booing Cortese anymore. It's about the tide of bull crap that is paraded out on this forum by people desperate to seem influential and desperate to swear black is white just to win an argument.

Typical arrogance as usual from you - what "scale" do the rest of us think it was at then? Because everyone is wrong except you. The only people who are wrong are the people hopping from foot to foot pretending there were no boos/Sky made it all up/its was towards Mawhinney/it was silence misconstrued as boos (?)/etc/etc. There were boos in the ground when Cortese was on the big screen. That's all anyone has ever said - the theorising and waffle has come from people pretending it didn't happen. It did happen. Loud enough for me and lots of people around me to say "what are they booing for". It was nothing major but it did happen. Why people on here are desperate to pretend it didn't is just maddening. And no, it definitely wasn't "silence misconstrued as boos", whatever the f uc k that's supposed to mean. That's it.

You're only saying that with hindsight. The Wilde crest of a wave was as huge as the ML one, especially first half of the season. Being that we've just had eight months of grizzling about how important pre season is you'd have to George Burley was the luckiest manager on earth, as his pre season started in February of the season before. But funnily enough none of the people grizzling about pre season this season talked about how lucky Burley was back in those days to have that oh-so-precious massive pre season - they had to find something else to single us out as Britain's most hard done by football club. Funny that. And they'll find something else next season you can be sure of that.

Fair dos, I thought we overtook Preston on the last day. But we were hardly fixtures in the play offs all season, and we benefitted from Preston collapsing in the final weeks. Anyway, my original point was we didn't go into those play offs thinking "I can't see us losing it". We weren't on the crest of a wave. We scraped into the play offs and entered them not as favourites.

I'd take promotion this season and a mediocre season in the CCC next year over a season of winning L1 at a canter next season. Because the chances are we'd just be delaying our mediocre season in the CCC by a year. Let's get promoted as soon as possible and start building for the push to the prem.

No we didn't. We scraped into those play offs when it wasn't even in our hands on the last day. This time we will storm into the play offs because scraping in is not an option.

I was mexican waving at Lord Mawhinney and no one else and anyone that says different clearly wasn't at the game.

Lord Mawhinney did not walk onto the pitch at the exact five second moment Cortese was on the big screen. Christ almighty. Mawhinney got booed when his name was called out. Not before, not after. Cortese got booed (a lot fewer boos mind) when he came on the big screen just seconds after people cheering Markus when he was on the screen. Or were those cheering Markus really cheering Lord Mawhinney, because the two noises were seconds apart? I know this is fuc king with people's heads, but the two occurances of booing happened at different times.