CB Fry

Sorry, no sense. Two points per game from now and we'll finish bare minimum eighth, more than likely sixth. Your "ace" thing only really counts in the last few weeks of the season, or in the title race in Scotland.

I believe Rupert Murdoch's nickname is "Trotsky".

There is no technical solution, when Sussexsaint says "area" he means "the place you can listen to the game on radio solent on your actual wireless". Everyone online, including people in the solent radio listening area, have to pay Saints Player to hear the commentary. It's nothing to do with IP addresses - Saints games aren't free on the radio for the rest of the world or anywhere you could "pretend to be" with an IP address. The only technical solution would be to trick a Saints Player account into thinking you've paid when you haven't, but can anyone really be bothered to do that? There is a slight exception when some away teams don't have a "Player" account, and you can hear the commentary on the local BBC station online hassle-free- Swindon is one such club, but there aren't many.

Hang on - we've got the most expensively assembled squad in the division, so by that logic we don't need Pardew as "anyone" could do well with our squad???!!!

I think you've been watching too much Terry and June. People don't knock on their bosses door and "negotiate their own" pay rise in 2009. Not in any company of any reasonable size anyway. In the company I work for (it's a multinational) my pay has gone up but it is all performance linked and if you're good you move up pay grades and move up pay "zones" (ie get promoted). I've been lucky enough, and worked hard enough, to benefit from both those things this year and previously. But across the board 2-2.5% rises no questions asked year in year out is just fairy land in my company and those like it the private sector. That really has been the point of my ranting - the misconception that the private sector get loads of pay rises, get loads of over time. We don't. I think teachers have "reaped the rewards" just as much as any average private sector workers, as the figures further up the thread has shown. You've made your choice, and you're happy with it and you get a no questions asked pay rise year in year out. I've made mine, I work just as hard as you and get performance related pay. I'm happy, you're happy. Lets hope we're both happy come ten-ish.

Regardless of the inflation rate 2-2.5% pay rise, year in, year out is bloody good. People in the private sector simply do not get the guaranteed pay rises the public sector get.

This I agree with Too many flipping management consultants also.

Wasn't the link I posted very specifically about schools though?

Well the original thread was about this "you can't go to the pub" thing and the debate has broadened since then. It's quite common on internet forums, you know. Profligacy in the civil service is part of the same problem, which is a disengagement from the real world, what everyone else gets paid and the kind of budgeting that goes on in the private sector that is alien to the public sector.

Nice. It's an internet forum. No one is "speaking" for "anyone". At the end of the day there are too many chips on too many shoulders in the public sector and the moaning about how hard up they are is a bit tiresome, especially at the end of a decade of unprecedented investment into the public sector that is going to come to a serious, grinding, miserable halt from about May next year. You've had your best years. You've had investment upon investment. That's it. And still the moaning came. Under the Tories it is going to be misery out there for the publuc sector. As my old mum used to say "you lot don't know you're born". Get ready for the pinch.

Eh? You can't get your head round how opinions and ideas develop over time in response to events/circumstance/context? I form an opinion ten years ago and then that's it for life? Is that how you live? I can't remember whether you're one of the teachers on this thread but god help our kids if you are because I think you're a bit simple. It was right to improve pay and conditions for the public sector, but when you see strikes, threats of strikes and we're-so-hard-done-by not long after those improvements then that's its right to question what exactly is going on here.

Don't be silly. Barnes was an awful appointment from day one. Or do you seriously think if he'd been given three years he'd magic into Alex Ferguson?

You're all right. If we are significantly adrift at Christmas and we continue to accrue points at a rate of one per game then Pardew will be under significant pressure and the prospect of him being sacked is a realistic one, not least because he can hardly say he hasn't been given the resources to do the job better than that. So he does have until Christmas to "prove himself", if you like. But the comparison to Norwich, Tranmere and Wycombe "reacting" is spurious - we have "reacted" - we dumped Wotte, and we've let Pardew build an impressive backroom staff, and snap up some of the best talent available at our level. We are "reacting". Pardew is "reacting". We'll win tonight. We're going in the right direction. But the improvement on the first ten games does need to be marked from here on in.

Well, yeah, actually he would. Richard Scudamore would probably be maximum three telephone calls away from finding out the background of any British based Millionaire. Easy. Probably three phone calls from finding out the background of any European based millionaire.

Putting Ali Dia in any list really is pretty lazy journalism. Oh, and they've wheeled out Marco Boogers as well. Groundbreaking stuff!

How many threads are you going to start patting yourself on the back for being the most perfectest Saints fan in the world? Stop vastly exaggerating the "Pardew out" campaign (which is about one grade up from non-existant) just to feel smug about yourself.

How was he screwed by the board - the parachute payments had finished. We didn't have any more money. As a chief Lowe/prudence cheerleader not sure how you equate sensible budgeting (which in retrospect weren't even that sensible) with "being screwed". So you are quite happy that your hero "lost interest" because he couldn't continue to spend millions and millions and millions and millions we didn't have in the transfer market. Burley loses interest, but I believe he was still getting a hefty salary from Southampton Football Club in that time. That's the type of manager you consider one of our very best? What utter tripe you post on here.

Sadoldgit making stuff up again shock Sadoldgit making stuff up just to cast himself as Britains greatest Saints fan Go figure.

I think AT was sold to Norwich rather than him actively looking to move - Nicholl I think, didn't rate him. He's a pretty good broadcaster now. And Clips of the week is the best five minutes radio on any station anywhere every week. And H and J don't really do many stupid quizzes anymore, but when they did they were brilliant, especially the Escalado wind-up horse racing one. I thought Durham and Wrighty gave a really entertaining show, but now it's back to being drivel with Goughy/Fat Mick Quinn/Alvin Martin etc.

Since 1997 teachers and other public sector workers have had significant payrises, and inflation busting pay rises. Funnilly enough, I supported them. It's a fact, jack. It's when they threaten strike action the very second that looks like it might end that makes me, and most tax payers, pretty pig sick.

It's a link that references profligate spending in the public sector, which is what I am talking about in the sentences before I pasted the link. You can read, right?

Oh behave. Civil service whiners are convinced that "everyone else" gets overtime (as seen in this thread from some deluded teech) "everyone else" gets a pay rise every single year without fail, that "everyone else" doesn't work nearly as hard as they do. Oh no, the tories are threatening a pay freeze for one. sodding. year. after over a decade of eye watering pay rises year in, year out: the threats of strikes are coming already. Absolute joke, you should be grateful to have a bloody job. "Everyone else" doesn't get a pay rise as a matter of course, as a matter of right like our blessed civil service think they should have no questions asked. "Everyone else" doesn't threaten to strike and **** everyone's working and daily lives up the minute the govt doesn't lay down and lavish them with cash like the ever-so-useful Postmen, or the greedy ku nting tube drivers led by greedy parasites like Bob Crow face down in the trough. Inflation busting payrise after inflation busting payrise. That's a gravy train. And as for accountability, the despicable lack of accountability or any attempt to manage public money is rife across the whole public service. Idiots who spend £35,000 on one photocopier because they are sitting on pots and pots of cash and have no grasp of "best value" whatsover. That's a gravy train. http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/8276991.stm

He gave us £7.25m for Kevin Davies. As I remember they went on a miserable run at the end of his first season, which then carried on into the new season and he was sacked, probably prematurely, quite early into that season.

We will definitely win on penalties. Piece of p*ss.

Who the hell gets "overtime" apart from factory shift workers and people that work in a shop? Another teacher in zero knowlege of the real world and convinced, as ever, that no one has it as tough as them. Diddums. I work from home and am at it all hours and dragged off round the country for god knows what. Workers in the private sector have it tens times harder than any teacher anywhere, not least because they aren't unionised to the eyeballs and have the cushiest pension this side of Fred Godwin. I'm sure you'll get over it during your six weeks holiday next summer.