CB Fry

Plymouth can't afford it either, and they are comfortable mid table and challenging for the playoffs. Don't kid yourself, we're not the only skint team in the division. But we are easily one of the shyytest. One win at home and shambolic performance after shambolic performance does not constitute "consolidation in the division". Relegation written all over us, unless Charlton or Watford go into administration.

Golly gosh, how awfully evil. It's one of Alex Ferguson's oldest devices, to try and control the media agenda. It's one of Arsene Wenger's oldest devices, to try and control the media agenda. It's one of Phil Scolari's oldest devices, to try and control the media agenda. It's one of Roy Keane's oldest devices, to try and control the media agenda. It's one of David Beckham's oldest devices, to try and control the media agenda. It's one of David Gold's oldest devices, to try and control the media agenda. It's one of Harry Redknapp's oldest devices, to try and control the media agenda. It's one of Glenn Hoddle's oldest devices, to try and control the media agenda. It's one of Peter Keynon's oldest devices, to try and control the media agenda. It's one of Daniel Levy's oldest devices, to try and control the media agenda. It's one of SISU's oldest devices, to try and control the media agenda. It's one of Lawrie McMenemy's oldest devices, to try and control the media agenda. It's one of Paul Ince's oldest devices, to try and control the media agenda. It's one of John Majeski's oldest devices, to try and control the media agenda.

That will be you then being that you've called for us to go into administration (and "take the hit" ie certain relegation) several times this season already. So are you saying you don't want us to be relegated now?

Well, I don't think so. If we get to March and we've won, say, just one more home game, we will be in the relegation places. I'd like to see someone dredge up a relegation survivor from any division who only wins twice or three times at home all season. Home form is the bread and butter of the teams at the arse end of a division. We need to sort it or we're going down. Fair enough, and yes it is good we have some company down there. Funnily enough my fear is we aren't going to get better - we've had a few great results (Derby, Reading, I was at both games) which the "we can build on this" line was wheeled out. Well, we haven't built on them. And we all know the "we can learn from this" line as well. We haven't learnt. If we haven't "learnt" how to win at home by December after half a season of "lessons", I have absolutely no faith that we will have by April. Just because we have a team of kids it doesn't follow that we will improve over the season. I think you might find them burnt out and shot to pieces come the spring, especially if one or two of our gems are sold. Call me a pessimist...

One home win in almost half a season of home games is sure fire relegation form. It sounded like the team bottled it, and it didn't help that the commentators were going on and on about winning the match from the second Bradley scored. It was painfully easy to predict that we would crumble in the second half, and we did. We are going to be relegated barring an absolute miracle (ie Watford going into administration). I don't have any faith in Jan, but not sure if anyone else can make much difference. But if Jan left tomorrow I would be perfectly happy. Honestly don't think it would do much harm. One home win all season suggests it can't seriously get any worse.

Funnily enough I get ****ed off about the year zero thing as well, mainly from people that make out that pre 1997 Southampton FC was some cup winning, european mega club that "went into decline the minute Lowe walked in the door" as opposed to a club that fought in last ditch relegation battles in four of the preceeding five seasons and were in a relegation battle only in two of the following eight seasons (one of which we of course lost). That is definitely true. Now, though, no one can deny the club is living his "unique vision" now, though. And gawd help us all...... But one other thing, I am prepared to accept Lowe does not want to sell these youngsters as some are claiming (and moaning about left right and centre even though it hasn't actually happened yet). This "vision" thing is not about selling the lot of them after six months, not least because it won't actually return much value. Not saying the likes of Surman won't go, but it won't be because Lowe wants to sell them just to **** the fans off as some wonderful people on the forum genuinely believe.....

It's always worth reminding everyone that he could have set up a bare minimum academy just to satisfy the mandatory requirement. He didn't. Lowe was an academy obsessive, often to the clubs detriment, and I think definitely to the clubs detriment at the moment. We are relying far to much on home grown kids at the moment, and Lowe's vision is pie in the sky - we'll never have a full team of own grown kids delivering long term success. But the problem with Lowe whingers is they have to winge from all directions at everything whether its true or not. Whinge at Lowe for the things he really has f u cked up, whinge at him for the disasterous decisions taken in the relegation season, the chaos in our first season down, the fact he clung on too long, and the fact he came back and removed a manager we were united behind. Moan about the fact he is still here and we all wish he wasn't. Moan about that - there's plenty to go on. But moaning about this stupid idea that "he only set the academy up because the FA said so" is just pathetic. Moan about the real fuc k ups - you don't need to make more stuff up to moan about, it just makes you look really silly.

I haven't asked you to do anything. By all means obey me when I give you clear instruction, but not before. Carry on.

Sorry - the "chaps" I meant were the three stooges, as opposed to the fine people on this forum. You lot can blather on as normal, as I will. To be fair this forum is a lot more silent for a lot more of the time than it used to be, but then that's another story altogether....

Crouch's contribution in that article is utterly pointless, as was the drivel Lowe came out with a week or so ago. Much like Lowe droning on about what happened when he wasn't in charge helps no-one, I really can't see what Crouch grumbling about Arry being given £90k four years ago is going to help our plight either. It's over, it's gone, son. They're all self justifying pig headed children. Tell you what chaps, why don't you all shut up?

Yes they do but a club wouldn't be put off from buying a young prospect just because he was cup tied. I don't think there are Prem managers thinking "I need to buy some young players for my FA Cup squad". They either want to buy, say, Lallana or they don't. Whoever buys Lallana is going to stick them on the bench at best so being cup tied isn't really going to make that much difference and certainly not a deal breaker.

Nothing makes me laugh more than the idea that being relegated to League one and going into administration would somehow be some springboard to long term glory, whereas staying in CCC is holding us back and a long term disaster. It's proper fu c ked up thinking. Not sure if anyone has noticed that Forest were down there for three years and look like they are heading back there - ie not a springboard to glory. Leeds are still down there and could easily balls up the play offs again - ie not a springboard to glory. Sheff Weds were down there for two seasons (was it three?) and are doing the sum total of jack **** e in this division these days and are still skint - ie not a springboard to glory. Bradford are now in the fourth tier. Wimbledon went out of existence. I'll give you Man City, but that was now a long, long time ago, and Southampton are nothing like Man City. Please can people stop wishing for administration and wishing for relegation like it is actually going to solve our problems. Newsflash: it won't. And no doubt you lot saying "lets go into administration now" will all be moaning like girlies and blaming Lowe "for getting into this mess" on the day it actually happens if it does. So stop wishing for it, please.

Nothing beats getting yourself completely worked up into a ranting lather about something that hasn't actually happened. But to be fair, this is your speciality. Calm the fu ck down. We're skint, in case you hadn't noticed. And remember, these were the same youngsters you've been happy to slate up until now. It's only now you've decided Lowe is going to sell them you're starting to gripe about how terrible it all is. When "Lowe was telling the manager to play them etc etc" it was a disgrace they were even playing. How about not moaning for one day?

But we have got spanked by Newcastle and humilated by Brissol Rovers on terrestrial TV since then. Can I also predict within half an hour of the final whistle at least six saints fans will be on this forum whinging and *****ing about how biased against Saints the coverage was. Also, the club should bundle the tickets for the game and insist that fans have to buy tickets for at least two other home games in January. Lots of other clubs do it (Derby did it for the Forest game recently) and its the best way to drive as much cash for the club out of our lucky draw.

You don't remember this at all, because it has never happened. I have never, ever tried to get any forum member banned, and never complained to the mods about any poster (apart from (name censored, please contact admin), and he was making threats to me via PM). You can ask them if you like. I think you're thinking of Alpine. Get your facts right, sunshine. Whatever, I posted the other day the games I've been to this season, it includes two away games. I don't expect a medal, and I don't comment on games I haven't seen. But I can comment about the general affairs of the club, and will do, and I understand them better than you, who compares a football coach going down the pub with "propaganda". With you coming out with clueless drivel like that then I will comment. Its my duty to bring up the level of intelligence in the debate. Wah, waahhhh, it's evil propaganderrrr. Grow up. Err, this isn't actually the "point" because this is a thread about JP meeting fans in the pub, not our current form. I only replied to your pathetic original post is because you were bawling your eyes out about evil propppergander. Don't remember saying anything about us being promotion contenders or playing brilliantly. This is always the problem with you Marco. Utterly incapable of discussion. Since when did everyone saying "fair play to Jan for meeting the fans" equate to those people saying we're playing brilliantly? They don't. Funnily enough this is Um Pahars position, so not sure why you think he is agreeing with you. Fair play for Jan for meeting fans, but he'll be judged on the pitch. That what I say, UP says, everyone says. What exactly is your problem with that view, apart from the fact you need to pretend you're the only person who thinks it? Err, thanks for the lesson,but this isn't nursery school. Do you seriously think if the manager says we'll be alright people actually then decide to switch their brains off and blindly beleive them? Come on Marco, some of us are nearly as clever as what you are.... Whatever, and anyway you quoted a allegory really, rather than a metaphor. And it was infantile garbage. This thread is about JP meeting fans in the pub. No-one who met him in the pub left the pub that night thinking "actually we're in eighth place after all" Err - you quote Iain Dowie who acrimoniously left Palace, acrimoniously left Charlton and acrimoniously left Coventry, and then acrimoniously left QPR. All four times becasuse of fallings out over resources and staffing or falling out with senior management. So not because he was a nice guy. You haven't got a f u cki ng clue, son. You haven't got a fu cki ing clue son.

Micky Adams is currently the manager of Brighton and Hove Albion. That, St Marco, is a FACT. Once again you come over with your I'm cleverererer than you routine. I don't think there's a person alive that places more value on a pub chat than our points tally in the table - its just you thinking people think that to make yourself feel superior. Jan meeting a few fans in the pub seems like a pretty nice gesture, but there isn't anyone that thinks that in itself is going to get us promoted. We all know we're an inconsistent mess and we all know serious work needs to be done to secure our CCC status. What we don't need is some dullard pontificating about "propaganda" - it's a football coach meeting a few fans in the pub. It's hardly "Triumph of the Will" is it? Propaganda....christ. Seriously, get over yourself.

This would be the same Malcolm Webster that you and many others slated left right and centre for being part of "the drunk's" regime and not adding anything to the club? I love the shifting sands of the serial moaners, just slight movements in position so they can continue moaning about everything. The above is a great example, as it other misery supreme SaintRichmond who has suddenly decided all our young players are brilliant because he thinks Lowe is going to sell them in January. Two months ago they were a cost cutting bunch of kids doomed to relegation which was a comfortable moaning position, but now there is something new to moan about so we need to start making out they are fantastic and irreplaceable and I can't believe we're going to sell them all moan moan moan moan. Love it chaps, keep it up.

Nicely done.

Absolutely correct, although the Pearson decision was less "questionable" and more pig headedly stupid IMO. Can anyone picture any other club on earth where a change of chairman would stick 5,000 regulars on the home gate? But there are genuine breathing human beings that think this is the case for Southampton. Mental. I don't want Lowe here any longer, but his departure in itself is not going to bring fans flooding back, or even make us play any better. It just removes the comfortable excuse for lots of fans not currently going because we are a bit rubbish and not in the Premier League any more (which is a perfectly valid reason not to go, BTW).

He did also say "the score is nil nil, as it was at half time" earlier, as well.

That statement is utter drivel from Lowe. Regular CB Fry haters will know I am often quick to attack those I regularly bicker with because I feel people too often dwell on the past - going on about the fact we were relegated, three managers in a season and all the rest of it. "Get over it" I'll say, "it happens" (well, maybe I stretch it out a little into a twenty line post....;-)). But christ, does someone need to "get over it". Step forward R Lowe. Get. over. it. That statement does him zero favours, and does nothing for the club, the unity of the fans, the faith of the manager, the players, the coaching stuff. Self serving, post rationalizing, kitchen sink excuse making drivel. Tell you what Rupert - if you are fed up with your detractors (rightly) blaming you for relegation, then maybe you should lead the way by taking the righteous path. Wacky, I know, but how about stopping blaming everyone else being positive about the future in a genuine, non sneering way understanding that whining about the mistakes of others does not fix today any more than "your detractors" moaning about relegation will get us (re)promoted. Repeat after me Rupert - we are where we are. Maybe if you started doing it it might, just a little, temper down everyone else. Maybe those that you rile might get slightly less riled. Maybe we might swallow this Dutch plan as a real plan rather than a plan designed to help you make a point to "us" about you being right all along. So Rupert son, get. over. it. and. start. moving. forward. Or, better still, fu ck off out of it now.

This would be the same Stern John who was our leading scorer last season and played a massive part in keeping us in the division and the same Kenwynne Jones who went on strike the moment a Prem club came calling making a sale the only option? Not my definition of a "bad, bad deal". I'll call it a bloody good deal, myself.

Good god, someone trying to start a "where's the money gone" rant for a £5m deal agreed nearly ten years ago? What next - "where's the money gone" from the £2m we got for Tim Flowers?

Remember all this was all during our glory days when we were a fantastic family club, regularly challenging at the top of the division before Lowe came along four years later and took us into "terminal decline" from the very second he walked in the door.

LOL. You do realise Leicester City are in League one, don't you. I love all these threads making out Leicester fans are in paradise and why oh why can't we be like them. Keep them coming, they make me **** myself. I doubt very much our relegation in May will be greeted with the same level of celebration that you lot have transmitted onto Leicester City fans, who in your eyes seem to be dancing in the streets at the prospect of playing Cheltenham Town and Yeovil. I'd rather poke my own eyes out that see Saints play a single match in that joke league. "Never had it so good". Priceless.