CB Fry

Errr - surely the £2.2m per year is the debt repayments, ie the mortgage. So its not more. It is what it is. A mortgage. And £2.2m, even in our current plight is not gigantic money. You can't say our demise started with building SMS because noone knows what would have happened had we not built it. I doubt, for example, Mr Hoddle would have come here in the first place if we had no stadium on the horizon. No-one can say, but I doubt it. What you can say is if we hadn't have built it and gone down anyway - lets look at all relegations from 1997 and call it 100% likely - everyone would hate Lowe for not building a new stadium and people would still be *****ing about it now. Remember, everyone was building stadiums at the turn of the century. Not joining in was not an option.

I think you need to get your head round who you are actually aiming your rants at, mush. While Pearson was here, his record, at absolute, absolute best was patchy and included some right tonkings. It was under Pearson we slipped from not being in the relegation zone to having relegation out of our hands on the final day. To have a go at fans for not being universally delighted at that at that point is just stupid on your part. And, close season, It didn't stop the fanbase, pretty much as a whole, saying NP deserved his chance this season. And as others have said (I doubt it will ever sink in, though) it doesn't make a blind bit of difference what JP's record is now. Even if JP loses the next twenty games it doesn't make Pearson's record at Saints any better than patchy. Pearson never was some football messiah that saved us from relegation. He delivered on the bare minimum requirement of the job, winning just the minimum number of games required to keep us up. He seemed like a decent bet to stick with for this season and I wish he was still here. But noone here is a hypocrite, and I don't really think you have a clue what you're actually moaning about here.

St Marco, what seems to have "gone over your head" is the "vocal group" you seem to be railing against is about three people winding people up on a message board. This group you are battling against are a fictional as the lizard rulers of the earth that David Icke goes on about. Errr, SOG, why is the entire burden of proof on the people that contest the fairly obvious fact that Pearson wanted to stay? Why don't you have to prove anything to prove your argument that he didn't? You seem quite happy to take the moral high ground about how we should jolly well disregard conjecture, but all you've done is spout lie after lie claiming Pearson didn't want to be here. Pearson wanted to stay - he said it before, during and after. Of course he wanted to stay - this was the best job he ever had, and when he left he had to drop down a division for gawd's sake. Pearson wanted to say, and you're a liar for saying he didn't. Now why not try proving us wrong?

I wouldn't call vastly improved league finishes in the first seven years compared to the previous seven or so before and a cup final "all downhill". I want Lowe out and he takes huge amounts of blame for relegation, but will you children please stop making out it was all doom from day one. None of you have the faintest idea where we would have been if something different happened in 1997, and not having Lowe didn't stop Forest, Sheff Weds, Coventry, Derby, Leicester, QPR, Norwich, Ipswich, Leeds, Man City, Wolves, West Brom, Charlton, Palace and all the rest from being relegated in the same period.

I've been fed up for a while. I didn't want Lowe back, but thought he would probably keep Pearson on because a) he seemed like a Lowe type manager and b) Pearson was popular, so it would be a sensible thing for unpopular Lowe to keep Pearson on. A bloody no-brainer, if you like. As soon as JP was appointed I knew this was all going to end in tears because this was an idiotic and arrogant appointment by Lowe. JP is a nice chap and I have no doubt he is sweating blood for the club. But so would I and I have zero qualifications to manage the club either. Lowe out, and sorry, JP out. Said it plenty of times on here lately, and will continue to do so. Out, out, out.

Wouldn't that be something. The best thing about it would be that would bring down Lowe as well - his position would be completely untenable, especially as bottler Wilde would capitulate pretty quick if the fans mobilised into the Jan-less vacuum. There are plenty of available managers that would be delighted to manager Southampton football club. And we only need one, and one that stops pretending "our boys" are Ajax in disguise and starts getting the team fit, disciplined and organised. We can dream.

LOL at St Marco. What a pathetic thread. The only person who he is waging war on in his opening post is Scooby, who everyone with half a tiny brain knows now and knew then that he was on a wind up. I can't think of any Saints fan I know or any on this forum that expressed anything like the opinions about Pearson that SM is getting all het up about. Guess what, Nigel Pearson is gone, we're stuck with a replacement who many, many, many more people than Scooby had serious, serious doubts about on day one. The fact that we are in the relegation zone is a surprise to pretty much no-one currently breathing air. Great thread though, St Marco, you've really stuck it to those hypocrites. All one of him.

I think you should reread your rather silly, and LOOK AT ME attention seeking first post and compare it to your attempt above to backtrack into "I'm only asking". You're weren't looking to "gauge opinion on options", because you'd already made the assumptions that a) Lowe is focused on the overdraft (says who) b) we're going to sell everyone in January c) we're going down at least one more division. And if you really wanted to read "fan opinion" on all of this, why not read one of the other two thousand threads already running on this subject? That's my three posts used up for the day, thank fu ck.

Err, you've just compounded my point. You're the one who is saying Rupert is focused on losing the overdraft, and you're the one suggesting we should sell anyone and everyone to clear the overdraft immediately, and then you're the one saying what a terrible idea it would be. ie making a load of stuff up about what terrible things are going to happen, and then moan about the terrible things even though they haven't even happened. Maybe we won't worry about overdrafts and continue on the route of reducing costs relatively gradually. Maybe, juuuuust maybe, we won't see every single sellable player in January just like we didn't in the summer despite people saying that we definitely would just like you're doing now. And maybe we won't get relegated, go into administration and all the rest of it. As I say, melodramatic. Plymouth are more skint than us and are doing alright. Ipswich are gazillionaires and are doing poo.

In the current football climate (ignoring the wider economic climate) it is virtually impossible to make a profit from running a football club at this or any level - including the Prem - so we will run at some kind of loss regardless of what happens for the forseeable. And asking questions like "how long before we bottom out and start pushing up the leagues" is far too melodramAtic. We're in the bloody championship, the second tier if you didn't realise. And correct me if I'm wrong but selling all our players to pay off our debts in one go is just a dopey suggestion. That's like suggesting selling both my legs to a crippled millionaire to cover the cost of my entire mortgage by the end of this year. What's the point, I've got twenty years to go on paying it back, so why not just do that? Families (and all Businesses) all over the world have debt. It happens. Seems to me, the people that grizzle about Lowe have found a new tune. The much moaned about "he'll sell everything that moves" fire sale didn't really happen as predicted, so you now have a new tack where you moan at him for not selling everything that moves. And then moan about the repercussions of doing that, even though he hasn't done it, and you're the one suggesting it one sentence before. Lowe might be an idiot this club can well do with out (he is an idiot this club can well do without) but Jesus, you lot are impossible to please.

When did Jose Mourinho go to his local paper and slate all the hotels in the area for not giving him the job he had a divine right to because he supported the local football team and everything?

This is just the usual trolling drivel from SaintRichmond. Completely making stuff up, passing it off as true and then getting all annoyed about it as he did with the first post on this laughably pathetic thread is pretty much his stock-in-trade and comes through on everything he's ever posted. One can criticise Poortvilet for lots of things, and also sympathise for him being over- promoted into a role beyond him, but to slate him for the crime of repetitious excuse making is childish and not even accurate. The one thing I have been impressed with is Jan's post match comments and he has demonstrated something of a gift for the genre having been in equal parts honest, even handed, furious, delighted and frustrated as the games have played out. The lame-ass accusation that "duh he says the same fing everytime" that SR is peddling here is barely accurate and of all the things to have a go at him for is way, way, way down the list. There are plenty of managers that do peddle the same old lines the same old times, but of course they are the managers that SaintRichmond would really want us to have. All in all, just goes to show SaintRichmond really hasn't got a fuc king clue about anything.

Did they? Forest were in and around the top four (often the top two) of that division week in, week out for three years. Failing at the play off stages is not finding "surviving" in a league "awfully difficult". The question is "would this current side survive in League one?" and the answer is, frankly, "yes". Why people have to make out that a simple judgement like that is "arrogant" or "unrealistic" baffles me. The only teams I can think of that went straight down from CCC to L2 are Bradford, Grimsby and WimbleMKDons. And do you lot seriously think we have more in common with them than Forest or Leicester? Come on, everyone, grow up a bit.

Hang on a minute, unless you can prove otherwise, I'm guessing all you've done is buy tickets and merchandise etc. ie all you have paid for a product or service provided: You pay for a ticket and you get to go and watch a football match. That isn't actually "investing". Why the **** should people spend their own money on the things you say, and then be called a traitor if they don't? Who the hell are you? Do you want me to send you my bank statements and then you tell me how much I should be posting through SFC's letterbox? What a laughable thread.

I think Alpine is allowed to surmise a league finish under a theoretical Pearson regime without getting pilloried. I think those kind of opinions are allowed. I happen to think he's right, and he's right to fear relegation this season too. Again, a perfectly acceptable opinion which doesn't need sneering from you two. We are a bloody shambles, after all. Something many, many of us predicted on the day Lowe stupidly appointed these Dutch nonentities. Everyone is out of their depth. The players are, nice, poor old Jan definitely is, Lowe got in way over his head with his fu ckwitted "revolutionary coaching structure" and his dopey self belief that he knows better than forty years of incredibly successful British club football. We're potless, but we could have afforded an experienced manager, or some experienced players. In fact, we could have afforded both. The nonsense we have now on the back of a fundemental lie of "we couldn't afford anything else" is an utter disgrace. Someone please rid us of this idiot and his gutless, lying, opportunist bull****ter lackey Wilde. Out, out, out.

Well, you didn't bother reading the post I was responding to. I am no flag carrier for Lowe. I didn't and don't want him back, and slated him for the appointment of JP which I felt was an insult to NP and an insult to the fans. I slated him for lots of things like the appointment of Steve Wigley when people like you were hyping him up like the "new Alan Curbishley". The sooner Lowe ****s off the better. Said it loads of times, over and over again. The point I was making and will continue to make because I am right, is the decline did not start on the day of the reverse takeover as some would have you believe. We had some of the best years in our entire history after the reverse takeover, which is not a ****ing decline. So all you wallies like you and Wes Tender can dribble on all you like, but I bet my sweet bottom that the pair of you were dancing with joy the day we beat Watford to get to Cardiff. I certainly was, and that trip was the best day in my football supporting life. But of course you and Wes Tender were sat around talking about our chronic decline that day, weren't you..... Planks :rolleyes:

When are you dribblers going to give it a bleedin' rest? We had season after season of steady improvement after 1997 when we turned from perennial relegation fodder (remember the gag about "struggling Southampton" that Dave Jones made on his appointment) to solid, solid, solid mid table, with an FA Cup final shaped cherry on top. All that, was during the evil old PLC. Love the way that people describe finishing eighth in the table as a "our decline". :rolleyes: Yes, we got relegated. Boo hoo. Who hasn't been? We're not immune to relegation, children, never were, never have been (even before our "decline" when we dominated British football like a collosus in 1991, 1992, 1993, 1994 and 1995) and never will be. Get the **** over it.

Why would be playing a load of kids in the Premier League? I'd like to hear your suggestion for any manager on earth that could get 11 points in the Premier League with this team. That's a nonsense comparison, and hardly a "critical flaw" in the original argument. Remember, Sunderland have spent about £80m in two seasons and will be happy enough with 16th.

I wonder what the apocryphal "Lowe is evil" story would be if McGoldrick was in a rich vein of form, and banging them in. Oh go on then, I'll make one up now. I've heard that Lowe thinks that now DMG's playing really well and has scored four in his last three games he's getting a bit big for his boots. Lowe is determined to get rid in the transfer window and we'll probably flog him to Forest (his home town club) for peanuts. Lowe out. Easy, aint it?

This would be the same Rotherham who were in the CCC three seasons ago and two relegations in a row now sit at the bottom of the fourth tier. And they've been into administration twice, which means they should be twice as strong, going by your "administration makes you stronger" f uck witted logic. Utterly, utterly clueless. :rolleyes:

And all of those sides spent weeks and weeks in the top three or four of that division. Man City got promoted back into the second tier at first time of asking. Too many people are acting like Leicester have already been promoted. It's bloody October. Have a look back - Forest and Wednesday were in the top three or four in that division week in, week out for every season they were down there. People making out Pearson has achieved some footballing miracle by taking the richest club by a country mile in its division to the top of the league. Give him a peanut. Pearson won a grand total of three games at SMS. He was fine for us, I wanted him to stay because he deserved the chance. But for ****'s sake he is not the god some people are making him out to be. And as for the usual drivel from Saint Richmond.....Go on, give us another ranting lecture about "football shouldn't be about evil business" and then in the same breath salivate over how fantastic SISU are. Yes, that SISU. The venture capitalists. Full of ****. :rolleyes:

Thanks for that. Any news on the religious orientation of the Pope?

It's a common trend with all football clubs on earth. Has it only just struck you that we aren't, in reality, the hardest done by club in the country? We just think we are. Well, guess what, so does the supporter of every club in the land.

"Tactical" for whose benefit? What's the conspiracy?

We were the main match on the ITV Championship show for the second week of the season. If anything Sky have a bias towards Saints - we are on Sky tons more than similar clubs of our stature and current standing. At the moment we seem to be on Sky more than Futurama.