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Crouch didn't sit with the fans when he was Chairman of the Club. And Lowe should be sat in the Director's box representing our Club when at matches.

Totally agree, hence my long held grudge against Adrian Heath and Everton (mind you the Everton one started when Bailey signed for them and has never gone away since).

And there are also bigoted posters on here who reckon everything that Lowe does is completely right. Then of course you have the vast majority of posters on here who judge people in a rational and logical manner on the basis of what they see, feel and know (not what people tell them to think!). Other people's view on the situation and the opinion they espouse may not be the same as yours, but that's football for you (and nowadays what goes on in the boardroom has a direct impact on what happens on the pitch, so the two are inextricably linked). Sadly, too many on here try to pigeonhole people and find hidden agendas behind personally held views (e.g. "you only hate Lowe cos he's posh").

What makes it even sweeter for me is the fact that Alan Irvine used to play for the team I hate most. Everton of the early 80's!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Payback (of sorts)

Doesn't matter what their take on the game was, just look in the scorebook. We were probably due a gritty win (and if this wasn't that, then we've still got it up our sleeves)

Oh, it's the fans fault once again:rolleyes: As many others have said, many times before, the support at St Mary's has been really good, all things considered (i.e. one league win). We haven't had much to cheer about, but the Northam and the resettled Itchen haven't been shy in supporting the team. There has been no widespread booing, no widespread attacks on the youngsters, no widespread attacks on Jan and no widespread attacks on Lowe & co. Of course numbers could be better, but then again there are 13,000 more Saints fans at SMS for each home game than there were at Preston yesterday. Do you go to SMS, because if you do you have a totally differnt perception of what happens each week to many on here

He was certainly much more upbeat on the Solent interview after the game than he has been for some recent games. I was actually beginning to feel sorry for him as he sounded so demoralised, so I'm really glad to hear him being much more upbeat and just being happy. Hopefully he slept well last night and the result will rejuvenate his bateries.

I must have blinked and missed Chorley's £10 infommercial. Comparing posts on this site to a General Election is somewhat deviating from the realms of reality. If anyone was seriously swayed or alienated because of what is written on here, then I have to question the make up of that person. This isn't a forum that sublminally or even sperliminally influences people. This is noddy, nerdy iternet message board read by a small percentage of Saints fans and contains a myriad of opinions, information and rubbish. We have the pro Lowes, the anti Lowes, the ambivalent Lowes, the pro Crouch's, the anti Crouch's, the pro McGoldrick, the anti McGoldricks ad nauseum (with a good combiantion of them as well). The one thing I would agree with you is that we do appear to have the extremes of all views on here, but that is more to the nature of internet forums and how people express themselves on them, which is very often so different than real life. But cutting to the chase, chasms have not been created by supporters. Sadly we have been the recipients of some very poor management. Chasms have been created by those who have been in charge over recent years, from Lowe, through, Wilde, Crouch, Hone etc and back to Lowe who have all mismanaged this Club to some degree in recent years. PS I must also have blinked when you posted a similar attack on those creating division by having a pop at Crouch, Pearson and McMenemy earlier this year.

Don't tempt fate!!!!! I'd probably settle for a draw next week after todays result.

Excellent all round. Watford losing, Norwich losing, Charlton losing, out of the bottom three. To come back from 2 goals down is a great effort. Well done fellas.

The only bright side is Charlton getting hammered at home (downside of that is that Barnsley pull away). Another free header for St Ledger, could have been 3-0

1-0 down. saints faill to clear

Free header for Preston but put wide from a corner. Then up the iother end Saints get a chance after keeper loses it

Solent saying not many chances for either side, neither side looking very sure. Smith and James not in the match yet. Surman our best player. Merington nto impressed y preston and thinks we could get something here.

Goal disallowed for Preston. Very lucky by the sound of it as we were sloppy at the back

Team is ---------------Davis----------- James Lancashire Pearce Skacel --------------Cork----------- Thomson--- Scheiderlin-----Smith --------------Surman----------- -------------Mcgoldrick--------- Seem to be holding our own, not many chances for either sie with the ame being played in the middle of the park. Surman outstanding accoridng to merrington

Team is ---------------Davis----------- James Lancashire Pearce Skacel --------------Cork----------- Thomson--- Scheiderlin-----Smith --------------Surman----------- -------------Mcgoldrick---------

Agreed, he played really well midweek.

I think that you: a) Firstly pay too much homage to a few people who mainly post on noddy, nerdy internet message board!!!!!! The opinions of those you have named (including myself) are no more valid or influential than any other on here. and, b) Secondly, you seriously underestimate (if not insult) the intelligence of Saints fans if you think they are swayed by the views of a few loudmouths. People make their own minds up on these things and many have never heard of this site, let alone the losers you're trying to balme it all on. Get in the real world and you'll find that the pro and anti Lowe divide is just as evident out there. He's a marmite figure that's for sure and he builds the chasms himself (so feel free to stop laying the blame at the doors of others).

I said what was damning was the dates and the fact that he was signed well after Gray had left, which would indicate to me that the push for signing Delgado originated with someone other than Gray i.e. If it was Gray's choice, then I would have imagined that the deal would have been put on hold as soon as he was sacked. Why would you continue with signing a player who was the choice of someone who would no longer play any part in the Club's future??? The decision to finally sign Delgado was certainly not Gray's as he had left three weeks earlier, and WGS has always said he was never involved, so just who was pushing this deal through???

There was no £5m kitty:rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes: There was no £5m warcest:rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes: Hone revelaed this a couple of weeks in: "Our supporters had been led to believe that there was a war chest with funds set aside to acquire players. We have spoken to George Burley and he didn't know what the budget was - he had no idea. It became clear there was none." Just as Lowe did when he signed Rasiak for a couple of million on a four year deal, the signings were funded on debt with payments structured into the future. We were to be run as a "Quasi Premiership" Club for that second season whoever was in charge. The very fact that you can't even get the starting point right just about renders everything else you have to say on this topic as irrelevant.

No, nothing definitive that I would rely 100% on. I could have a guess (which being honest would be no different to many have already said on here), but I wouldn't say that my guess wouls be any different than others on here. I just don't know exactly what charges have been placed on various assets and who is where in the pecking order. My gut feel (on the many areas of this) would be: 1. There is no way the stadium or other assets could be hived off & saved, or sold, just because the ownership is with one of the subsidiaries. The PLC would go into Administration and that is the overriding parent of all the companies and so they would all be consumed by the event as well. 2. We own the Stadium, but we owe Norwich Union something like £22m on the loan notes we took out with them to finance it. There is a securitisation agreement where they get their money first from season ticket sales. However, the overiding issue relating to the stadium (and other properties totalling over £30m) is that they are subject to charges held by both Norwich Union and Barclays. This means that these assets cannot be sold without the consent of Barclays & Norwich Union (although it can get very contentious). It is similar to a mortage on a house. So I think even the administrator may not be able to sell these assets without the permission of Barclays and Norwich Union.

I think it is to do with the Delgado signing where Gray was saying it was not his signing and Lowe saying it was. Having spoken to both of them about the episode, I am firmly of the opinion that Gray's version above is the one that is correct. What is also damning about "Delgadogate" is that he signed for us on 13th November 2001. Gray was sacked on 21st October 2001 (and WGS totally disassociated himself from the siging!!!). So who really signed him???????

A battling, backs to the wall draw. 1-1 after taking the lead. Fingers crossed.

A £5m kitty LMFAO:rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes: What a way to start a noddy post. And with that single claim, you once again show yourself up to be naive, ill informed and qute frankly whittering on about a subject that obviously have now real knowledge or understanding of. Here was Hone said about the warchest, and how the signings of the summer after Lowe were funded. "What was clear pretty quickly after coming into the company was that there was no reserves, what some might call a warchest," said Hone. "Money that had been brought in by player trading was just used to keep the company afloat." Saints' yearly accounts released last week showed a loss of £3.3m in the 13 months ending June 30, 2006 - ironically, the day former chairman Rupert Lowe quit. During that period, Saints sold Peter Crouch, Theo Walcott, Antti Niemi, Nigel Quashie and Kevin Phillips for around £14m. "If not for selling players, the losses would be absolutely horrendous," Hone added. So without any warchest', how have Saints paid for their manager's close season rebuilding. "It's in staged payments for the players, but it's been done on debt by and large," Hone revealed You quite clearly do not have a clue what you are talking about on this subject. Stick to other topics where your opinion might be worth something, becasue when it comes to factual inaccuracies regarding the Club's finances, you're clealry in a league of your own. That first season down lost £9m cash out the door on normal operations, that's even after allowing for the £7m one off parachute payment. That effectively means that oan ongoing basis we were running at a loss of circa £16m p.a. That's quite a few player sales needed to fund a loss of that magnitude!!!!!!!!