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But why should we try to keep someone if they're rubbish, won't feature in the managers plans and unlikely to cost us more than any potential transfer fee. It's the managers job to decide on these things. That's what he gets judged on. Dyer might work out, but then again he may not, but these decisions should be the decisions of the manager, not the Chairman using players as commodities and trading in them for the hope of a profit somewhere down the line. The job of the manager is to manage his squad, not have signings thrust upon him in the hope they might make us some money at some point in the future. We have seen at a number of clubs recently what happens when players are bought without the approval of the manager. If the manager wants a player, then the Club should do everything it possibly can to get that player for him, but it should not be the other way around. Look at our biggest signing this season, Scheiderlin. He was signed without the manager even seeing him play. He could lead us to promotin, he could leave us being worth a mint, but he could also be using up a large tranche of our "spare cash" which could have been better used elsewhere if only the manager had the freedom to manage.

If Basseya fitted in with the managers plans and the manager wanted him, then we should be doing everything to keep him. It's the managers decision on who he wants and on who he doesn't want.

I can remember everyone hyping up the home game against QPR a couple of seasons back. I think it was the largest gate so far and yet we didn't play well and got turned over. However, I think pro's probably would like a full stadium giving maximum home support, but I would also like to see regular 10-0 wins, £1 entry and strippers at half time. Howeve, the attendance issue is pretty simple. In the absence of anyone at the top who can engender a spirit of togetherness which might tempt people back, we need to win matches to pull in the punters. Just because players might like to perform in front of larger crowds it will have no affect on the size of the crowd:rolleyes::rolleyes:

And therein lies the problem for me. Rightly or wrongly, as long as we aren't going great guns on the pitch, then Lowe will be seen as a divisive figure amongst many of the fanbase. We certainly need to engender a spirit of togetherness to help us get through this dark period, but sadly I feel that as long as Lowe is at the helm then we will never achieve such a spirit. If there was someone/something to rally around, then Killer's words would be seen as a call to arms. Instead, it is seen by many as a desperate attempt by Lowe to get us onside. Neither he nor Wilde can engender that spirit as there is too much history behind them and instead of uniting the supporters, they actually exasperate the divide and bitterness.

Jan was appointed a month before Basseya left. Of course it could well be Basseya made his decision to leave in the two weeks between Lowe coming back and Jan being appointed, but once again you have to ask why is the Chairman so closely involved with player issues.

And if they had been interfering in areas they shouldn't have, then that would have made their tenure even worse than it actually was. Perhaps when Lowe criticised the old regime for not supporting the manager and failing to manage him he ahd this type of "managing" in mind.

And if they had been interfering in areas they shouldn't have, then that would have made their tenure even worse than it actually was. Perhaps when Lowe criticised the old regime for not supporting the manager and failing to manage him he ahd this type of "managing" in mind.

I don't remember Jim Hone or Ken Dulieu doing it.

I did say current!!!!! ?????

If you go for C, then the next person get's to work as a B, as there is no way Lowe can stay if his "revolutionary coaching set up" is dismantled. That is why IMHO, Lowe will view it as A or D. Jab's going nowhere IMHO as it would undermine Lowe. This appointent either succeeds or the Club goes into meltdown.

What million pound was this???? Or arguably those whose shareholdings, position in the cabal and position of influence ensured they got the boss job at the Club and with it the ability to take out about £3m as a result.

Youmay be needing this link: http://www.Lallana in November - pah.com/ There's two transfer windows before November!!!!!!!!!

Firstly, IMHO you should play players in their best position whenever possible. Of course there may be times when the teams need comes first, but ultimately I think you get the best out of players when you pay them in their favoured positions. Secondly, if he's not ready for that position, then perhaps he should be eased in and not thrown in at the deep end and then played out of position. If Lallana is going to play they we should play to his strengths as they're one of the only strengths we've got at the moment. BTW I'm not actually sure games week in and week out is what some of these guys need.

Absolutely. In the run up to the game the manager must have full and total control of his dressing room. The players need to be focussed and not distracted. It is a key prt of the preparation. Here is what one current manager said about the run up to the match when defending some of his players not signing autographs whilst out on the pitch in the warm up. "I take your point and I am sure players will sign autographs on their way out of the ground but once the warm-up finishes I am big on them getting back to the dressing room so I can have my time with them. I want that window of opportunity to get them ready for the game." Any idea who said that???

I hop you didn't buy next years calendar with them both in it!!!!!!! (unless of course Lallana has the first two weeks of January and Surman the second two!!!!!).

Exactly how I saw it. Lallana is a precocious talent and one of the best things about the Club since Theo. He was wasted and isolated wide left, and whilst he did some good things he is much better used in the hole. We should be looking to build a team around this player, but sadly Jan keeps chopping and changing all the time. Being brutally honest, he may be better learning his trade somewhere else where they value him and look after him and I for one wouldn't blame him if he felt his future lay elsewhere.

All we do know is that their squad (or at least last seasons squad) was not as good as 20 odd Championship teams. There is no way of knowing how good a relegated squad is compared to teams in the division below. You could conjecture they should be better, or slightly better than most, but that is not always the case. If it was then the same teams who got relegated each season would automatically get promoted the following one!!!!! I'm never really comfortable people suggesting Pearson would definitely have done better than Jan, or that Pearson is doing well with Leicester as we just dont know what might have happened, and certainly cannot prove what would have happened. That said, I do have a gut feel that Pearson may just have added some grit and steel to this team and had the fans support.

But as far as I can ascertain, people on here haven't got a problem with Lowe popping down to say good luck, having a gander at the lads in training, asking if there is anything the Club could be doing for the players etc etc etc. All of that seems fairly innocent and would actually be quite a good thing to do. What people do have a problem with is the CEO/Chairman being overly involved in areas f the first team that should be the sole domain of the manager. The single most important person at any football club is the manager. Not the star player (as Fergie showed with Beckham and as Lawrie showed with Wright & others), not the Chairman (as Mourinho declared) and not the CEO. Everything at a football club revolves around the ability of the manager to produce a winning side. You interfere or meddle with that at your peril and that is what people are nervous and upset about. There is a massive distinction between the two.

Come on Phil, the reason that they printed the Lowe on the touchline picture was because Lowe was on the touchline pre match with the Head Coach. The reason Solent (and Radio Hampshire) reported Lowe was in the dressing room pre match, was because he was in the dressing room pre match. These things aren't being fabricated, they are happening in real life. And it's not the first time that Lowe has gone into the dressing room pre match either (then again, maybe he's going through your list of reasons why he should be there one by one). Let's not be naive here, Lowe is doing more than CEO/Chairman normally does at this Club.

Absolute rubbish!!!!!!!! Show me one post where Lowe has been called aloof because he gives the dressing room amiss??????? And now he has crossed the line, and because he is an intrinsic part of the "revolutionary coaching set up" he is de facto part of the team, as much as Jan is and will therefore going to get shot at.

And I don't think there is anything wrong with this and that type of thing happens at most Clubs. However, is that all the limit of Lowe's involvement with all things to do with the first team????? Straight answer please from what you know. If you're going to come and contribute to these threads and play down things, then you should expect to be put on the spot about things in the same domain. If you'd have kept your head down then fine, but if questioning other people on here, then you should expect the same back. So, what, to your knowledge, is Lowe's involvement in first team matters, and what is his role in this "revolutionary coaching set up"?

Come back in an hour or so and read that again!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! So your theory could be that we have been brainwashed by the Chorley Cult and radicalised like some religious fundamentalists!!!! Let's live in the real world shall we. Football fans aren't stupid and many of them can see exactly what is going on for themselves and make informed judgements about it. Your claim is actually pretty insulting to the thousands of fans who can form their own opinions (be they pro, anti or ambivalent to Lowe). Most will judge Lowe on the basis he wanted be judged, ON RESULTS. If you, Lowe and others think the CEO/Chairman giving a pep talk is fine, then that's your shout, but IMHO I think it's the wrong thing and if anything, actually draws Lowe more into the current misfortunes of our Club. Not only did he appoint this "revolutionary coaching set up", he is actually a part of it!!!!!!

I don't think that after moaning about Lowe and Wilde's distractive influence during last seasons relegation battle he can do anything (at least in public anyway) otherwise he would just be labelled a hypocrite (and probably quite rightly so). As with the majority of fans, I certainly don't think he's very happy, but I don't think there is much he can do. As long as Lowe's cabal remain loyal to their svengali, Wilde still backs this "revolutionary coaching set up" and the Reading fan doesn't pull the rug, then the status quo will continue, with Crouch irrelevant.