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But there's a pretty good chance that you are pretty crap (relatively speaking of course) if you're 24, been through 5 clubs and numerous managers and have only made 20 league appearances (all in the lower leagues). Of course there will always be the odd late developer or unearthed gem out there, along with youngsters who didn't make it with their first club, but Pulis doesn't fit any of those criteria. If he was the player who would make such a difference to our team, then I contend he wouldn't even be here in the firstplace.

They would not have voted against Lowe.

LMFAO. So how many quality players have we signed recently???? Don't you think that there are many more clubs who could offer him more wonga than us, and who could offer him more than a relegation battle with some kids???? We have fallen from grace, we do not command the same respect we used to and we do not attract quality players any more. Get used to it.

Fcuhk me, so here's a player who is 24, has already played at 5 clubs under numerous managers/coaches and who has made 20 league appearances in the lower reaches, and just because people doubt he will be our saviour they get branded as being negative. If he was any good he wouldn't be anywhere near us. Get in the real world.

I think there is some mileage in this notion. IMHO Crouch has ****ed Wilde off on two occasions. Firstly, Crouch sided with Hone & Dulieu in forcing Wilde to jump (I was told that Wilde would have been unanimously voted off had he not jumped). The second occasion was after Crouch had forced the Executives out last December and he then refused to bring Wilde back in the fold (I presume despite having Wilde's support in elbowing them). Have a look back in the archives in December, as I'm sure there's a quote from Wilde saying he supported Crouch's move and if there was anything Leon needed from him then he would be there. Crouch didn't feel that he needed him, hence nose out of joint again. I think that with reagrds both Lowe and Wilde, there is an element of revenge, ego and thirst for power in their return.

Do me a favour, the only reason you're now seeing some balance is because you might agree with something I've posted. You're so blinkered that you only see what you want to see half the time (and just don't bother to read for the other 50% judging by some of your replies). But I'm hearing snippets that the bank aren't at all happy and things are getting pretty desperate. You're right about Wilde and Lowe not having any money, but would Crouch offering to keep the wolves from the door in the short term by throwing money at the problem put a different slant on it????? In this instance, would Lowe, Wilde and others be prepared to do the honurable thing????? And this is where I do have massive doubts, because everything I see on and off the pitch just points to meltdown. Since the summer we have just gone backwards. Is just keeping the status quo just accepting our fate as I can't see any progress on or off the pitch?????? I would hardly call the current position stability. We had a chance for stability at the back end of last season, but sadly Lowe and Wilde jumped in with both feet in the middle of a relegation battle and have failed miserably. Where were you in the summer with your ideas of maintaining some stability??????

I'm just not sure that that is possible as there is so much vitriol and hatred between the three of them. I know Wilde & Lowe both did a massive U turn only a couple of months after declaring they couldn't work together, but I just can't see the big three ever managing to work things out. IMHO it probably needs 1, 2 or 3 of them to sell out to get things moving again. But even then I can't see who could (or would) sell up to break the impasse. I'm not sure that I know whatthe answer is from the bottom of this pit that we have found ourselves in, but I do know that I don't think the current set up is the answer. I still keep wondering just why Wilde and Lowe's cabal did what they did last summer. At that point it looked as though we had a chance of getting out of the mire, now I just see the headlights of the administration juggernaut approaching fast!!!

He also sounds like a crock who has managed about 20 first team appearances in over five years for 7 different clubs. Pinning our hopes on him to make the difference is somewhat clutching at straws. Not knocking him, just can't see how he will be able to be the difference we need (and always happy to eat humble pie).

A scrappy and flukey (who cares) 2-1 win. Late winner bein a richochet off someone's ar56e

I don't know what's worse about Jonah's post, the inaccuracies, the hypocrisy or the rewriting of history. Reading it you would have thought that under Lowe everything was sweetness and light, and we were well set for the future, with the mess only having been caused by those who stepped into the breach in that two year period!!!!! It's a similar line to the line Lowe trotted out when he came back, in that he had to clear up someone else's mess (conveniently forgetting he was the one who contributed most to the mess we now find ourselves in). And why isn't one of those people Rupert Lowe???? This is the man who oversaw the relegation from the top flight and first steered the runaway train out of the station and on to it's desecnt into oblivion. He failed us massively at the end of his last tenure, yet he is welcomed back with open arms. There's consistency for you. I always like a bit of hypocricy, as it would appear that you yourself can't forgive and move on when it comes to Wilde, other people who shouldn't be allowed within 100 miles of the Club etc etc. You obviously still hold things against them, yet ask us all to forgive and move on. Quality.

A few things to agree with, and a few things I can't believe you've posted!!!! If the Chairman does not trust the manager then you have to wonder what the ****c is goin on. Chairman have to employ managers, trust them within their playing remit and let them get on with that job.

LOL. I've actually lost count of the number of times I have had to correct you on the numbers and financial errors you have made in your poor analyses over the months. How many errors do you think I have picked you up on over the last year??? Being honest, some of your other posts aren't that bad, it's only when you venture into trying to speak on the financial side that you come across as somewhat lacking in knowledge. Maybe we should have had a closer look at his CV, because the promised Total Footabll Revolution has not been delivered by the "revolutionary coaching set up". And as for Hiley, well considering I married his daughter, i think I'm entitled to defend him.;-) PS As I said to Becks, it's been quite good on here recently with debate and input from both sides, so maybe you need to rethink the content and style of your posts (or maybe the vitriol is trotted out when there is an absence of content).

a) because you apologise on behalf of him (probably), and b) because you are, fact (probably). With all due respect, we've had some nice debates across the divide on here recently, so maybe you would be well served to wind in the little quips. HTH.

Let's not be so quick to dismiss things, Weston's a gentleman for starters.

In whic case, feel free to share your winnings with me and Weston!!!!!

Did you find it diificult to read and understand the starting piece that said: My personal gut feel Thanks for confirming my earlier thoughts.

It must be extremely difficult being such an uber fan!!!! The simple fact is that people's support of their Club manifests itself in a myriad of ways. I'm sure we all wish everyone was as committed and devoted as you, but then again, most of us live in the real world. And in the real world we have to accept that whilst there is a hard core support of 10,000 to 14,000 who will probably go come what may, there will be many others who will go depending on the quality of what is before them, how they perceive it as value for money, whether or not we're winning and what the atmosphere/community spirit is like, along with a number of other reasons. So whilst your devotion is admirable, it really is up to the Club to entice, tempt and win back the missing thousands. The PLC is in the entertainment business and modern day football is no longer the preserve of those devoted to their community club. Although some of course still maintain that link, others see themselves exactly how those in charge want to see them, customers (as you point out). And I know of no other business where the customers are blamed for not buying a sub standard product.

Methinks you need to try and read what people post then, as opposed to just bumbling through them, being blinkered and assuming you know what they're saying. You ought to try and be a bit more open and receptive (but not receptive enough to be brainwashed into the chasm I, and others have created:rolleyes:)

We sure have. In a friendly at the end of the 1979 season, and stuffed them 4-0. Did you win or lose???

It will be impossible to compare and judge any hypothetical situtation, be it would we be doing better with Pearson in charge, would it be better if we had more money, would it be better if Lowe interfered less (or even more). We can of course voice our opinion, but that is all it is, our opinion and it will never be backed up by any degree of fact in these scenarios. My personal gut feel is that I don't believe that any manager will perform to his best if he is being second guessed, being told on and on and on who should be playing and/or being subservient to someone, who although they now have quite a bit of football experience, is not someone I would want involved in first team affairs.

Money doesn't solve every problem, and there are many ways of skinning a cat. We've brought in excess of 10 players so we have had some latitude and of course we go back to the possibility that a different manager can get different results from similar playing assets.

And as I (and others) have said, I don't think there is anything wrong with that strategy (in principle). How many homegrown youngsters will be in that team will be up for debate, but in essence it's a reasonable suggestion. However, that's not what is being delivered at the moment and the results aren't flowing through either.

Que???

Who knows (and I'm not really sure why you're even asking me).

With all due respect, I do think you have gone slightly overboard here. People don't think the idea of playing youngsters is an absolute disgrace, merely that they think the way they have all been dropped in and how they are currently being used is open to question. We're all entitled to our opinions on who to play, but ultimately it is down to the manager on who should feature and he will ultimately be judged by the results taht his teams achieve. If we could field 8, 9, 10 or even 11 youngsters who are good enough, then I can't believe anyone would be against that (aka Arsenal).