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I would much rather watch a winning team, and I'm sure that the current team won't win as many as that play off team did (if they do then I would only too happily accept you are right). The only way that football teams get judged is by the number of points they amass and 11 points after 9 games (although it is early days) is not a patch on 75 points from 46 games. I've only seen four games so far, but the parts of the first three was some of the worst stuff I have seen for ages. The Norwich game was much, much better, but we have to be consistent and get points on the board if you're going to convince me that this team is better than that play off team. Of course it could be (i.e. it has potential), but as we stand here today the record of the two teams is not comparable.

That's almost as lazy as the line trotted out by a few loons on here that most of us want the Club to lose so "we can be proved right". Complete nonsense and when praise is worthy then I will (and have been) the first to deliver it. I'm sure GM could even dig out some of my old posts where I have been supportive of Lowe and was happy to give him him praise.

I'm sorry but there's a number of people who have contributed to the demise of this Club from Deluded Chairmen, psycophantic Directors, reckless Executives, overpaid prima donnas, disloyal mercenaries, couldn't be ar5ed managers etc etc etc who would be much higher up the list of culpables than the long suffering grass root fans. There have been a number of decisions that have fcuhked this Club over and they all came well before some fans decided to vote with their feet. That's the only decision they've ever made in this sorry tale. Fans not turning up is a result of all of these decisions and it's a bit rich to be blaming them for the current state of the Club. If anything, the supporters are the ony thing that is holding this Club together right now.

Lallana actually blossomed whilst Lowe was away. It was all Dulieu's & Crouch's hard work that has got him to where he is now. They nurtured him and resuced him from obscurity and introduced him into the first team. His first team debut was under Ken. His October 2006 contract was overseen by Ken. His well crafted loans were under Ken. His first goal was under Crouch. It was all the hard work, vision and determination of the Dynamic Duo and their ability to spot a diamond amidst the rough that made Lallana the player he now is.:smt041

With all due respect, the team that reached the play offs a couple of seasons back was obviously much better than the current team (I would wager a bet that the current team don't finish as high as 6th this season). Some of the football that season was also very good (scoring six against Wolves, five against Barnsley et al). Last night was a very good performance (see my report on the match thread where I felt some players deserved 9's), but previously to that I had witnessed too shockingly poor matches at SMS (and was lucky to be away when we were turned over by Blackpool). It was a very good performance and I hope we buid on it, but I just think your claim is slightly OTT.

Indeed:smt053

Did he get a refund?

It would be a big mistake if he did. A double whammy of losing Surman from midfield and having him play poorly again at left back. Looked a different player tonight and back to the form he showed when he first broke into the side. He was such a different player tonight that JP would have to be blind to put him back there again.

Good point. And as for Norwich, we were talking about that tonight and I think alot of that is down to their ground capacity. With about 23,000 for home fans and a good record of season tickets there is mentality of needing a season ticket to ensure you can watch a game (I think they have capped their season tickets at 20,000 this season and so only have a walk up availibility of about 3,000). This perpetuates itself, whereas with us you know you can get a ticket anytime with 30,000 seats, and therefore season tickets aren't needed. And as season tickets underpin attendances it's obvious what happens next.

Just a quick question fo the mods. If I'm a full member and paid up my subs, am I allowed to call a fellow poster a C u next tuesday, or is that still against the rules???? Would rather know upfront than do it and ad then be given some infraction points. CHEERS

He may have looked like Ruel Fox, but he had the skill and composure of George Lawrence meets Ali Dia. In fact, I'd put him on a par with BWP!!!!!!!

Probably about 800. Lookig around the ground was worrying tonight. I particularly didn't like the look af the Junior Saints section which looked almost empty!!!!!!! Coud have done with another home game on Saturday to trade off tonights win.

After two shy7te home performances I finally get my moneys worth!!!!! Really good team showing, with a few outstanding performances (and a couple of not so good ones) in there as well. Norwich were pretty accomodating in that they weren't overly physical, but was really pleased with the way we played for the majority of the game today. Started brightly, but Norwich started to get into the game before Robertson curled in a beauty from outside the box and fairly wide left. Then came the turning point. Two outstanding saves from Davis (although maybe he didn't know much abou the second) ensured Norwich didn't draw level, and then within a couple of minutes Skatenovic pulled down Lallana who although he was going nowhere was just too good for the defender. Skatenovic made things worse by going loopy at the ref who promptly sent him packing. After that it was all Saints with McGoldricj spurning a couple of god chances, Lallana looking awesome and Davis making another god save. Davis - 9 - Outstanding, full of confidence, great saves. A different player to last season. James - 6 - Tried his best, but a definite weak point in the team. Perry - 8 - Solid performance from an experienced pro. A great signing. Lancashire - 7 - Looked much more comfortable than in the QPR game. Mills - 7 - Had a good game and looked comfortabe at left back Surman - 9 - The Surman of old was back after being relesed from the shackles of left back. Poortvliet needs to make sure he doesn't put him back there. At times was running the game. Cork - 7 - Fairly solid, just didn't want the ball as much as Surman. McGoldrick - 6 - Sorry, but don't rate him. Missed two good chances, put himself about a bit, but he's not a wide right player, nor is he a centre forward in my eyes. Robertson - 8 - Looked very good (certainly better than Dire!!!!). Well taken goal and a great debut. Lallana - 9 - Pure class. Always showing for the ball, always ready to give and go. My tip would be just to watch him for five mins whilst the play is going on to see his movement (plus I fear you won't be able to watch him after january!!). Pekhart - 5 - Didn't do much and presume was injured. Wright-Phillips - 4 - Should have subed the sub in my eyes. get s a 4 cos he won a header late on! Paterson - 5 - Not on long enough. A couple of other thoughts were that I really rated Croft for Norwich, pity his team didn't want to help him out (he also showed a nice touch by going round all the Saints players at the end, even though he had been subbed). And as for the referee, well fccuk me where do they get them from. Gave some appalling decisions against both teams.

1-1, after being one down. Lallana

I too would put forward the names of both Sundance and Scooby. And if being a full member is an issue for Sundance, then I would only be too happy to pay his fee. Since the demise of Tommac, LonglifeCherry and GM (who shouldn't be reading this;)), we are shor of laughs recently.

Couldn't be Scooby, Matt SFC was asking for the views of a supporter!!!!

Reading that thread on the Bournemouth site was really cringeworthy and brought back some very funy memories remembering his rants, fantasising, bullsh7ytting, threatening et al on here. Then I came to that fag packet plan and the coffee went everwhere. Almost as funny as our Barry The Briefcase (when someone out the Pilbury Dough Man's face on there) and the first Ted Bates Statue. PS (Can someone put a few of the Barry photos up again????)

Why the distinction between Wilde and Crouch here? He may have paid slightly more than Wilde, but he also bought less, so actually Crouch's exposure is slightly less than Wildes. Wilde's outlay was just over £2m, whilst Crouch's was just under tha figure. Additionally, and I'm guessing here, I reckon the exposure is far lower for Crouch than Wilde in terms of their net worth. Lowe on the other hand has seen a big paper loss, but his outlay since the reverse takeover is about £350k, so his exposure is alot less.

Players who i don't think got the recognition they deserved. Nick Holmes Graham Baker Malcolm Waldron Dave Armstrong Glen ****erill Kevin Moore Ken Monkou Paul Telfer

Only just noticed this thread. nickh, you really do yourself no favours with posts like this. You'll soon be classed in the same category as Sundance and Scooby if you keep this up (and you're not a patch on GM's style of antagonistic posts!!!).

I heard Daniel Bennent and Fleur Bennent say just the same thing!!!!! Now they're a golden duo alright.

Absolutely, a win is a win. Look at the tabkle abd it's down there as a win. Happy to win by any means whatsoever and hopefully it will give the team some confidence.

If that was the case then why would Jan be apologising for playing Killer and blaming himself for the recurrence of Killer's problems?

I honestly can't see how we can. I understand we have already negotiated a deferment of some of the interest payments (only paying half of the the £2n a year), but I fear the cost base and structure of the Club is such that I just can't see us turning in a profit on normal operations with a £14m income. Wilde said as much on here, and the previous board were very clear about that (including FD David Jones). I fear the only way we can continue trading is by making regular profits from player sales (the alternative of promotion looks like a pipedream).

Wrong guy I'm afraid. I was always aware of our financial limitations and was also fair to Lowe with regards spending on transfer fees. What i did have an issue with was how the money was spent, who by, when, wage sturcture, general transfer policy and a Chairman with too much influence on the transfer targets (but hey ho, they are all seperate arguments), but are not the same as criticising Lowe for not spending. Last summer Hone had full control of the PLC Board in tandom with Dulieu. Those two along with Hoos, Oldknow & Jones made a a majority of in the boardroom of 8 (the others being Trant, Crouch and Wiseman). Hone had all the power and effectively did whatever he wanted with regards the day to day running fo the Club. The Non Execs wielded no power and the shareholders were impotent as long as they continued fifghting each other. For me, that summer was almost as poor as the previous one (supporting Sturrock, only to replace him with Wigley) with Redknapp not wanting to be here and Lowe probably not wanting him here either.