I agree with you Baj. I cant remember the last time I actually smacked any of my children. If the Fergie-hairdryer treatment doesnt work then its up stairs to bed for mine, regardless of the time of day, to think about what they have done. I also tell them that they can only come back downstairs when they can tell me what they did that was wrong. This ranges from deep well thought out reasons from my 11 year old to just 'cos it was naughty' from my 4 year old, but at least they have understood why I was angry