Sir Ralph

It’s not unreasonable to seek a second legal opinion at all. It happens regularly and not even in the context of being Deputy PM on a matter that that will be scrutinised so I respectfully disagree. The point about footballers is largely irrelevant to what happens to Rayner. If you can’t see it’s hypocritical then I’m surprised but we will leave it at disagreeing on that

I said before I hope they do well. I would even vote for them if i thought they were up to it. It’s not about being partisan. When they got in I wasn’t enamoured but not overly concerned.I’ve become more anti Labour because they are terrible. My response above acknowledged the relevance of the legal opinion but it doesn’t remove the hypocrisy. Its always depressing when you get caught for doing the wrong thing but that doesn’t get you off the hook

I take your point and agree if you take legal advice and it’s incorrect that it means there is an explanation for what you did, if indeed that was the case. I find it unusual that she then took subsequent legal advice that contradicted that only after she got caught. As Deputy PM I would make sure that the advice I received was 100% certain and probably seek second opinions. It appears that the second opinion was obtained once she got caught. However, whatever happened she went to lengths to minimise her tax bill in relation to stamps duty otherwise owed. She is the housing minister in a government who has barked on about the need for everyone to share the tax burden and now wants to rinse people through a property tax. However she wants to avoid it. As someone in public office surely you then agree that’s hypocritical?

These politicians are preaching at us about the need to pay tax and how they want to tax us till we are bled dry. It’s hypocritical at best. She also holds public office. If this was a Tory or Reform MP would people hold the same view and defend them? I wouldn’t

I agree, benefit of the doubt she is a hypocrite who the PM is happy to support and sit alongside. I can’t see how her position is tenable but it says a lot that the PM thinks that’s ok.

Apparently people that legally move to low tax economies from the UK to reduce their tax liability are “selfish” (quoted many times on here). Applying some posters logic, at best what Rayner did was hypocritical and “selfish” (she tried to avoid tax), otherwise it’s worse. I suspect the “selfishness” only applies one way though.

Its completely indefensible from a Housing Minister too and they want to preach the property tax strategy. .

You too. Have a good rest of your day. I think I'll need to rest my head after that particularly challenging encounter.

You are absolutely correct my friend.

I did - maybe its just a coincidence but I signed up to Labour Party membership immediately before. It cant be linked surely😆 Also talking of lightening things up, if you hadnt understood - I was doing just that. I know your level of debate involves sending pictures of bums but its ok, theres a special place in the world for all of us

I think thats the most words I've ever seen you post. Have you started using Chat GPT too?

It just confirmed I'm the best looking and Chat GPT is always right😆

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@tdmickey3 get the camera the right way round mate. Try again.😆

Fair point, I probably dont. My sense of humour is definitely not my strength. I'm incredibly good looking and clever though 😆

Deflection and distraction is the way of the left when they have no response.

There is no defence of the current shambles so it doesnt surprise me to see this. Funny you just criticised @east-stand-nic for being incoherent and you make a comment like this. The old tactic of distraction. No good point or defence to make of the current shambles so revert to that. Defending the indefensible = no credibility.

I suppose they might change the law specifically to exclude her, so she doesnt have to pay it. That will be tomorrow's headline I suspect

I'm no staunch supporter of any party. In fact I hope Labour do well - we all benefit. Sometimes you have to deal with reality rather than just back the party you support as thats just blind support. The reason I'm against them is because they are clueless and they fail to understand the absolute basics. So of course its all in my mind, its just me. The polls would say otherwise - they are absolutely tanking. So its not just me that thinks they are doing a terrible job. Its the electorate - to you thats the people of the country. Instead, maybe its in your mind they they are doing a half decent (being generous) job because the polls show that your view doesnt align with the vast majority of people, including people that voted for Labour. Maybe everyone else is wrong then and you are right? I'm not getting angry, its just embarrassing we have 4 more years of ineptitude. The longer it goes on, the more damage they will do and the longer it will be before they get back in office again thankfully. Last time it took 14 or so years and that previous Labour Government had redeeming qualities. This one has very, very few so it will be a lot longer. https://www.inkl.com/news/new-poll-sees-labour-s-approval-rating-fall-to-record-low

Its amazing anybody still try to defend them. If I voted for the Lib Dems, Tories or Reform and they were doing this I would just accept they were doing a terrible job. Defending the indefensible = no credibility. PMQ's will be entertaining😆 If I didnt pay my stamp duty, HMRC would be after me but I suspect the two-tier approach will be applied to Angela.

Another day, another balls up. At least Angela wont be taking the PM's job. Not a tax dodge though. #clueless https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/crm4mxrg40pt

What the Government should be doing today is bringing the budget forward and confirming how they have a sound fiscal plan, including reducing public expenditure (essentially u-turning on some of the expenditure they foolishly put forward in the last budget). They will do neither of course - I suspect they will keep to the budget date, not cut expenditure (the only u turn they havent performed but the most critical one) and keep floating mad ideas, creating more uncertainty, increasing borrowing and the black hole they have helped to create. #clueless.