Weston Super Saint

Americans are fools! If they had allowed the Russians to interfere they'd have had a result by now! No chance the Russians would stand for this sloppiness!

Either this lockdown lark is truly amazing and results can be seen in less than two days, or the measures put in place over the last month or two with respect to local lockdowns (the measures that the government didn't feel warranted inclusion in the calculations for their charts last weekend) are producing the results they were supposed to... https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-54841375

What is wrong with these morons? https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-54827535 Watch the 'sheep' start holding more 'protests' around the country tonight. Should take their benefits / furlough money away rather than fine them.

FFS, 9 months or so into this and the bloody Prime Minister AND the Chief Executive of the NHS are holding a press conference on live TV broadcasting to the entire nation and talking about the binary options of living and dying. They really shouldn't have an opinion when they plainly don't understand the subject. Idiots. As for the slogan; "stay home, protect the NHS, save lives", jeez, that's just as bad!

It's like waiting for Rudi to sign! I think Nevada is the one where they all went for a break - I think they are re-starting the count either today or tomorrow from 17:00 our time. No idea why they took a time out...

My daughter's school implemented it this week - basically for walking in the corridors to and from lessons. They implemented a rule in September that corridors are for teachers only and students need to move around outside so it's pretty much irrelevant!!

Sadly not, I really don't follow American proposals that closely as they don't affect me in the slightest. However, I'm able to understand that rhetoric is used on both sides to divide and conquer. We even have that here with those to the left claiming that anyone who voted for Boris was a right wing racist. I'm sure it's very similar in the US.

I hope you live in America, because you seem to be very, very angry about American politics - more angry than anyone who doesn't live in that country reasonably should be!

So, your argument would appear to be that everyone who doesn't share your view is a thick cunt. That's the way to build a tolerant, respectful society for sure.

Lol. If you care for character and integrity, politics isn't for you.

Interesting article by Nick Triggle who has been pretty 'on the ball' throughout. https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-54785032 Conclusions are : Track and trace doesn't work. Nothing available financially for those told to isolate so they don't bother - who could have predicted that! The NHS is apparently not that close to being overwhelmed with 20% of beds still available and that's before they kick out 'non covid' patients. Not a great deal has been done to protect the vulnerable. One in five new 'hospital cases' were actually caught whilst in hospital. 75% of the first wave of deaths came from the most vulnerable 5% of the population! The chart predicting 4,000 deaths per day was actually just a pile of wank and based on out of date figures - wow, who would have guessed! The predictions presented on Saturday did not include any of the measures that were in place with regards to local lockdowns - measures we were told would control the virus were clearly not deemed important enough to include in modelling. There are currently signs that hospital cases are beginning to slow. Lockdowns fuck up the economy.

The point is that people haven't given their express consent for the Government to track their credit card history and have unlimited access to their mobile phone data - including GPS / location data (I doubt they are interested in how long someone spends on the phone to Aunty Maude). We've already seen issues regarding privacy with the launch of the C-19 app - and that claims to only store data locally on a phone with no ability to say where a user is via GPS : https://www.verdict.co.uk/nhs-covid-19-app/ I've no idea what the privacy laws are like in South Korea but if their Government are able to track people's whereabouts using GPS from their phones and credit card data, they are certainly far, far less restrictive than GDPR.

Having credit card data as well as mobile phone data would identify an individual. Every individual would need to give their explicit consent for the data to be processed. https://eur-lex.europa.eu/legal-content/EN/TXT/?qid=1528874672298&uri=CELEX:02016R0679-20160504 Although vague, it may be possible under the following clause but would doubtless cause a myriad of law suits... (e) processing is necessary for the performance of a task carried out in the public interest or in the exercise of official authority vested in the controller; Parliament would need to pass a law over ruling the current EU law but we've seen how well that goes down. From Jan 1st though it may be a different kettle of fish...

While I agree that our track and trace system is particularly inept, I'm not sure that we could emulate the South Korean system which states (from the link above) : GDPR regulations would make that near on impossible in the UK. Then there's this bit : Not sure our civil liberties and ECHR would allow a quarantine facility, so we're stuck with people pretending to be locked in their bedrooms.

But will it be a boy or girl he's been messing with

Nope, nothing there that says they make things worse, plenty to suggest they haven't made things better but that's not the same thing is it?

Classic. Run out of arguments so resort to just making shit up. Where have I said they make things worse?

Presumably you've missed the point once again I am not talking about from day 1, I'm talking about since mid July when masks were compulsory! But hey, let's carry on with your analogy and look at some more stats : The UK has been wearing masks since mid July but have also had 1,352 deaths in the last FIVE days! Maybe South Korea are doing something else (as well as wearing masks) that is stopping people from dying? Maybe that other thing they are doing is far more effective...

Who's suggesting that?

I'm assuming that's aimed at me. How about looking at it from the perspective that it is not dismissing things glibly but asking why we are not looking for reasons why the virus continues to spread unchecked despite people following the mandatory rules out in place. Maybe wearing masks really is giving people a false sense of security so they are not paying attention to ask the other things they could be doing to stop the spread? Maybe people are wearing their single use masks more than they should and they have become ineffective? Or we could just carry on pretending that wearing a mask is the solution to the problem despite the statistics that appear not to support this.

Not forgetting buses and trains where you don't need to even share your journey with an infected person as their "droplets" will still be on surfaces and in the air, whilst they could be long gone.

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Do you dispute the study from Imperial College or just not understand what they are saying?

I do wear a mask at all times in situations where the law demands I should. I also maintain social distancing of a minimum of 1 metre - however, I will increase this to two metres on the times when I have to visit Wales as per the regulations. I (I'm not sure about 'all people') do not wear eye covering as this is not currently required by law. I do have glasses though which will provide a modicum of protection. Ah, good, I'm glad you brought up the testing comment and the fact we are testing more now than we used to. You have, however, fallen into the same trap as everyone else when it comes to testing figures and have completely ignored the 'death rate' (I know Egg will remind us there's more to it than just deaths), which is currently claimed to peak at twice what it did in March / April. So yes, it's very true that because we are carrying out more tests we are finding more cases of the virus, but how do you square that with the current prediction regarding deaths? Surely more deaths means that more people are being infected than previously and that is despite the masks being compulsory? Unless you feel that the virus has mutated to become far more deadly now?

Are we allowed to question the efficacy of mask wearing yet? In Feb and March, I doubt many households in the country even owned a mask, let alone considered wearing one. Since July they have been a compulsory part of daily life, but infection rates are rising 5 times quicker than they did during the previous wave. Is it time to consider that this 'control' measure is not working, do some proper investigation into how the virus spreads rather than take the lazy option, then put measures in place that will be effective?