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I will readily admit that I have not seen the legal text of the agreement that the 27 member countries signed regarding vaccine purchase, however, I'm working on the premise that the EU President HAS. She had this to say about it : I've highlighted the bits that could be construed as relevant. More info can be found here The fact that the EU is refusing to even acknowledge that Germany has made purchases outside of the legally binding contracts is very telling - although I guess since they are the only ones with the keys to the bank vaults they are getting a little bit of 'special' treatment

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Correct. Sadly, you're wasting your time with Badger on this point - he will never agree!

No, you're absolutely right! The EU's vaccine purchasing strategy is an absolute beacon of light and should be followed the world over! https://ec.europa.eu/commission/presscorner/detail/en/ip_20_1103 A few takeaway quotes from the article : Excellent words Ursula, truly inspirational. Truly inspiring words Stella, you are a credit to the EU and no doubt the peace prize nomination will be winging it's way over to you. What a beautiful, harmonised proposal in theory, they want to save the world after all. Meanwhile, a couple of months down the line after they realised that they couldn't organise a piss up in a brewery after all, we have : Sorry, what was that? Did someone say protectionist cult?

Absolute pony! Had we remained in the EU we would have been compelled to toe the same line as the current 27 countries and do as instructed like good little soldiers. It's precisely because we had left the bloc that we could source and procure the vaccine like every other sovereign state. I've no doubt you'll trot out the line that all EU members 'could' have gone their own way if they wished, however, the evidence is pretty clear that none of them choose this option, instead they opted to follow the rest of the bloc.

Finally! https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-55862233 I guess now they've finally approved the vaccine they can start looking for a supply.

It's also claimed to stop people from becoming 'seriously ill' therefore will reduce the pressure on the NHS, I guess that's where the 'excitement' comes from. Less people seriously ill = less people in hospital = less deaths = less restrictions on life.

So we can sell the excess to the highest bidder

Have you noticed the title of this thread?

Don't worry, I understand your argument, I just think it's pony! If the EU had any intention of keeping London as the principal clearing House, then they wouldn't have started negotiating with NY SIX years before Brexit became a reality. There are plenty of things you can bash Brexit for, this one is stretching the truth to say the least!!

Ah, right, that must be the reason why they didn't reach any agreement in the six years following the start of the negotiations. I've seriously underestimated the EU and their ability to predict the future so accurately. Odd though that they didn't let the remain campaign know what was going to happen as they told us it was all going to move to Frankfurt. The flip side of your argument is that it was always going to happen anyway, but I guess you're way too blinkered to even consider that possibility...

If he's going to blame the consequences of the deal between them - that they were negotiating since 2010 - on the Brexit vote that happened six years after they started negotiating, then I'd say yes. Wouldn't you?

Is this the deal they started negotiating in 2010?

Source? The link I posted to the AZ CEO statement said that they would not divulge details of the contract due to an NDA. Have you a link to them paying less?

That's unlike you not to have the balls to make a decision and sit on the fence, oh, wait, no, that's not right is it! What about your obsessed weirdos like Tamesaint and Unbelievable Jeff (same person) who have stated they will never accept Brexit - surely they would have a campaign to re-join up and running? What happened to your 'we've only been out 26 days' mantra, or does that only apply to remain movements, given that you've decided that Brexit is looking like a cluster-fuck after only 27 days

A reasoned explanation from the CEO of AZ here Essentially he's saying that EU processing is experiencing similar 'teething' problems to those encountered in the UK, however, the UK is three months ahead in terms of production due to signing the agreements three months earlier! This quote from him is enlightening :

Exactly. In North Korea you have to isolate in an isolation 'facility' for 40 days. Once you've finished with your isolation you are then moved to a 'quarantine' facility for a further 30 days. Zero recorded cases. We should be more like North Korea.

Four years to organise, find a leader, get a coherent message together, design a leaflet. What has been achieved, fuck all. Stop whining about it and get those winning plans in place - obviously not you, but someone else! You didn't have the cohones to vote one way or the other, no chance you'll have the stones required to get something this big off the ground

Able, yes, as was the rest of the EU. Obliged to toe the line and work together as a bloc is the reality for those that weren't planning to leave - well, except Germany who have apparently gone behind every one else's backs and arranged their own deals on to of what the bloc agreed...

And yet no "rejoin" campaign off the ground yet. Four years and not even a single leaflet produced for the campaign. WTF is all your waffle regarding eerie silence about - or are you just making up your usual pony and pretending that's what I said?

That's what we had during our summer - the point is that the virus appears to be less virulent during the summer months. Presumably because more people spend more time outside during the summer? Couple that with Australia's entry rules to the country - apparently they still have around 40,000 of their own citizens waiting to return home but no available space in their quarantine system for them! - which costs up to £2000 per person. If we had the same rules for all arrivals since lockdown 1 ended, we would probably have the same 'freedoms' over the winter as well. https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-55813987

The ardent anti-Brexiters have had the last four years to get something going, not just 26 days. How much time do they need?

Sounds familiar, almost identical to the hardly onerous restrictions we had in place during our summer.

More normal than "here" during our summer?

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