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Yes - shit. BUT Still has only managed 10 league games, and won the cup games + a creditable performance at Anfield. League = W2, D6, L2 How easy do you think it is to immediately turn around a team with those stats with a fan base that has seen the worst results in Europe over the last 4 years?

Yes

Swansea's Alan Sheehan: "That is our first good point of the season. The draws we have had have felt like losses. We've played better with the ball and come away short of points. "They created a lot of chances in that spell in the first half. That is the first time a team has created that amount of chances against us, credit to them."

I worry that if we replace Edwards with Downes we'll just go back to dull endless passing back with none of the optimistic incisive through balls, and the couple of quick breaks we made today. I'd rather have Jander play the holding role and bring Azaz or Fellows in if we go to a back four.

Because of Man City and their ilk ripping the piss out of the rest of the football league for the last decade, and because of what happened to Palace with European football

Yes you're right. But I still think you'd need Stewart for the 4-2-3-1. If you want to play a back four you'd play 4-3-3 with a single sitting midfielder.

Jelert is out, and they might not risk Welington coming back from injury. So I think we see the same team, but Fellows in for Jelert, and Manning in for Wely. I think we'll win

4-2-3-1 when played against a league that will mostly be defensive playing against you needs Ross Stewart and we don't have him. That was Plan B. Plan C requires us to get the ball to our midget forwards to score. Which means probing through balls, clever short crosses, and attacking players popping up all over the show so their defence can't crowd out our little chaps. Plus Scienza doing his thing. There could be an argument for a 4-3-3 with the front six very fluid, but that's a wholesale change and at the moment we are doing OK defensively. So rather than throw the baby out with the bathwater I think we're trying to build from a relatively solid defensive base (something we've heard pundits blather on about for years)

If Stewart had survived the last 60 minutes of our last game we would be playing Plan B which was working. With the players that were recruited for him I just see him doing the best that he can. We didn't play with a 10 today McCarthy Edwards Wood THB Jelert Jander Charles Wely Armstrong Scienza Archer Edwards and THB were the ball players, Jander & Charles got forward to support. All three centre backs + Charles were up for set pieces to provide an aerial threat. Wood dominated in defence. The front three played a good press, and generally the front seven were quite fluid in their positions. At one point in the middle of the first half I think Jelert played a short ball to Welington around the right corner of their area. Scienza's touch map appeared on the screen at the end of the game. I can't find it right now but it looked like a child's finger painting! The only place he didn't get the ball was in the RB position. He clearly had licence to roam. Jander and Charles both had close range shots.

He doesn't have a true 'accepted style' he's a pragmatic coach and tries to build a team around its strengths. In his previous roles he got a group of players used to playing together who were familiar with the division, and whilst on a loosing streak weren't a complete basket case. Saints had two groups of players going into September: Those who have struggled to change from Martinball and were demoralised by the PL season Those new at the club or are returning from loan. Still initial plan didn't work because it relied too heavily on that first group. His second plan worked but required Ross Stewart to play. And it worked. Today looked to me like it was his third plan: The defence was the same but we played far more direct forward balls through their defence to players around the D. There was less reliance on getting to the byline and delivering crosses, although clearly there was some of this. I also felt like the three CBs played higher allowing the two midfielders to play in a more forward/attacking way. It was also helpful that Scienza was given licence to roam.

So by extension if we were to field a team that played a low block and had shots raining in on the keeper throughout every game, both home and away, but every third game we scored a breakaway goal with our one chance that would make you a happy man?!

Brooks was pretty good too. It worked fine to play Martinball in the Champ, but the players who tried to play it extensively in the Premier League now seem to be broken by it emotionally, and are struggling to adapt their game back to normal football: Flynn Downes has played about eight forward passes all season. To hear you singing Russell Martin's praises is truly a bizarre about turn. You were a hardcore 'Martin out' during the Championship season. Russ was good for team morale and rebuilt the team spirt after the lacklustre first PL relegation, but his style was polarising and was never likely to work in the PL Still inherited a team that was even more demoralised than the one that Martin inherited, and it had worse players at the start of the transfer window. It would seem from the outside that he doesn't have Martin's ability to turn around the mood rapidly (which honestly I was very impressed by). BUT - I think Still's style is far more likely to work in the PL if we are promoted. We have lost only 2 of 10 league games (Martin had lost 4 at this stage) and we did pretty well away at Liverpool. The first half we played today was the best we have played all season. As I just said on the other thread; 36 games to play and we are only 4 points off the playoffs. Aside from the likely points deduction people were expecting Leicester to do well - they have 1 win and 4 draws in last five.

Neither are better than the players who played today in their positions/roles

We are unbeaten in four games since the away loss at Liverpool. The first half today was the best we have played all season. We are 4 points off the playoffs with 36 games to play.

I think we should have used the Azaz money for striker

On average if 'Team A' has 21 shots, 8 on target and 2 off the inside of the post, and 'Team B' has 7 shots, 2 on target you would expect Team A to win. To put it another way. I would be more than happy if those are the shot stats after our game at Bristol - because I would expect us to have won the game.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sounds/play/p0m9fj2r Goin Home with Adam & Jo

It did look like he was nailed on for a move to Belgium. Does anyone know why both his options fell through? Did he sit on the pot deciding too long?

Ok I accept that Hassenhuttl was a name! Was Poch?

I posted this on 33 minutes, we were already playing well and then ramped it up again for the last 15 mins of the first half.

We'd be interested to hear your take Fred as a follower of French football. My understanding based only on having read a few articles is that he did very well to maintain league positions whilst having his star players sold out from under him - kind of like Ralph Hassenhutl, and to a lesser extent Claude Puel managed here.

I wish we were QPR

Will Still was/is kind of a name - in Europe and we have a European DOF