Dman

I can’t believe we agreed to allow an appeal process to take place about 24 hours after the initial verdict was given. Bonkers.

To me it felt like we thought “it’s not that serious” until it was.

I would say it probably depends is Pannick is still involved.

How mant players have we signed from an english side that have been a success in the past couple of years? Finn Azaz?

I have to admit, I thought the same (probably naively). Only thing that really explains the silence, unless the EFL have hit us with more charges.

Other than people associated to Boro, the jurnos ‘gibbo’ has in his pocket, Troy Deeney and James Corden… everyone seems to universally agree on that fact. You’d probably struggle to find a less credible group of people if you tried.

Weren’t Bristol City one of the rumoured clubs at the start of this? Bristol city who were managed by Struber, who Tonda knew from Salzburg and was assistant to at Barnsley….

Wasn’t he set piece analyst and didn’t we have one of the worst set piece records in the league at the time?

Incredibly dodgy ground if so.

The worst part of it all, he’s probably cost a few of his ex colleagues, who’ll be low paid, their jobs. Scumbag.

Jason Taylor. Ex saints and Boro analyst. Sacked by saints in December with a clear ax to grind.

The FA can’t implement a points deduction, that’d have to come from the EFL?

Thought I’d give him a thread of his own for the Google algorithm, for any future employment background searches. Grassing rat who squirrels company information onto personal devices to use against them. Not to be trusted and on top of that, not very good at his job, hence why he was sacked after a few months.

Fair enough, that’s your opinion. A week ago, everyone was saying how it’s a minor infringement and laughed it off. because the EFL have brought into the pressure applied by Boro and the media, it’s now this huge issue. if parsons had kept his mouth shut and employed a decent legal firm from the first minute, we’d have been at Wembley today.

The only person who should be sacked is Parsons.

Unfortunately not. Radio silence pretty much since the event other than last week when I was told the above. This was before the additional charges, for what it’s worth. I get small snippets, but a relatively senior figure who doesn’t often say much. Generally speaking, saints are pretty good at keeping things in-house.

Lol, good bait.

Any more to share on this? Or was it just a case of after work beers in the sun getting to your head? If you have any info to share, firstly share it with the club. Secondly, why would you not share it on here (we might be more competent than the legal clown the club pay…)

Should we sack Tonda? No. However, his position is probably untenable (unless the players show upmost loyalty and stick around for 1 more year).

Covering what has already been said, but the club grossly under estimated this and that is on Parson and for that, he has to go. Long story short, I’ve a friend of a very close friend who works within the club. An area who would have been a very big part of this whole thing. When news broke, the word was “expecting a fine and points, hoping to mitigate the points”. They never believed expulsion was on the cards. Clearly we were guilty as sin, but a decent defence barrister from from minute go, I honest believe we get away with it, or at the very least would be heading to Wembley today (with or without this still lingering over us). From the trial by media, to members of the Boro camp on the EFL board and potentially commission, there were so many holes that at the very least could have been exploited to delayed things. Unfortunately, this sums up Sports Republic. Naive and incompetent. Of course we get the only Serbian who isn’t a fucking nut job.

Doesn't matter though. Its still a rule breach. If you hit someone drink driving, you wouldn't get a lesser sentance because you said sorry. (extreme example, but you know what I mean). but to be fair - to counter that - if you stole a mars bar and gave it back, unless the copper was a right arsehole, they'd take your name and slap on the wrists... Fuck the EFL!

Sorry but the first point is rubbish. He knew the rules. Even if he didn't, someone would have told him - you shouldn't do that. Just own it. Argue your case that its a bollox rule and is applied nowhere but the EFL, but don't lie. Second point. Why do it then? Its a weak arguement.

My personal view, which I have remained consistent with since the news broke was; You clearly get an advantage, we wouldn't have done it otherwise. However, I don't think think the advantage is all that significant. Its a 1% gain which you see all over football in different shapes and forms. For me, diving is worse, this is on par with timewasting - I feel that strongly about how insignficant it is. It was obvious from the get go that; 1. we'd done it before, we would have been at this all season - without a doubt. 2. Senior figures (i.e Tonda and Spors) would have known about it. 3. It wont just be us. This will be common practice for clubs with manager from the continent. Whilst it is technically correct, 'cheating' feels harsh. Gamesmanship is more appropriate. He saw an opportunity to either get some ££ or get a free shot at the PL. It worked. People arguing he done it for sporting integrity are absolute idiots. It always was and will be for the money. it wont be pretty reading, but again, it doesn't take away from the fact its a minor crime in the grand scheme of things. All that being said, as yesterday progressed, I came to the realisation that the EFL had no alternative option but to kick us out. It was proven we'd broken the rules and unless they implemented a ridiculous fine, there was no alternative deterent.

Is that a precdent by the way? Surely his own arguement back then would counter any argument now...

I seriously think Hull would have a serious case here.