Dman

This geezers head and heart haven't been in it since his mate got the boot. Move on in Jan (if we can) and look to replace.

I probably sounds like a broken record, but we've only seen Downs under, what is imo a poor manager. I'm reluctant to judge until we see him in a side with a proper manager in the dugout.

It was 100% both. Look at thier thoughts on Thelwell.

Danny Rohl was up until a week ago. He's had a week on the training ground and transformed Rangers. A side who's fans were blaming summer recuritment etc. Before you say "its rangers theyre expected to win every week"... so are we in the championship.

We sacked Selles (clearly never suitable for the job anyway) and then immediately got promoted the following season?

Absolutely bonkers.

Alternatively, its 3 winnable games we could easily waste. For me, whilst i wanted him gone and it was clear he had to, at least under Martin you had a sense (up until the end) that we weren't a million miles off it and it was just his ridiclous stubborness to 1 style that was causing the problems. I just can't see anything from Still's side to say "if he changes that, we'll improve"

As a side who've recently been relegated, he is exactly the type of player we should be a fit for us. The players who make a difference. Score and set up the goals to get us promoted. The fact we're backs against the walls in most games, not getting the ball to the luxury players in the final 3rd sums up how poorly we've been managed.

I know its captain hindsight over here, but I genuinely feared for us after watching our first pre-season game against Eastleigh, where, much like the rest of this season, we struggled to break them down and had no clear pattern or style. I put it down as first game, things will improve, but in reality, they haven't. Personally think the writting has been on the walls since the Pompey game, the perforamnce was that bad - but up until this week was willing to give until the next international window for him to turn it around. Despite knowing that he's not going to. Things have changed this week imo. I think if we don't act urgently, we are in great danger of being dragged into a relegation scrap - which I don't think we have the bottle to get out of.

tbf, if you're an english CM and you've got the choice to play for either Frank Lampard or Will Still, its an absolute no brainer.

Exactly, I honestly do not get the Spors hate. Blaming the recuirtment this summer is an easy / lazy arguement to defend a clearly out of his depth manager. Granted, not signing a decent GK was an oversight we all knew, but our hands were slightly tied by the fact noone wanted to buy Ramsdale and we could only shift onloan. Downs hasn't worked to date, but I'd like to see him in a system that suits him under a different manager before writting him off completely. Other than that, our defence on the face of it is/was more than good enough with Edwards returning - I don't think anyone could have predicted THB turning into a sunday leauge player. Our options in midfield of Downes, Jander & Charles looks more than capable on paper. Scienza looks PL class and Fellows & Azaz are proven at this level over a numebr of years, as is Armstrong. We should be underperofming and still be in and around the top 6 - a bit like Leciester - to be 18th is pure negligence and poor management.

I've aboslutely no idea if he has any interest in coaching, nor if he'll be any good, but I think someone bringing in Jose Fonte as either assistant or some form of coaching capacity would be a master stroke. Knows & loves the club, he is a winner who's played at the highest level, and probably the last genunine leader we had at the club.

I'm not aruging they are - clearly they aren't. The question is probably why are these people leaving..? But to say, to MLG's point, its better to have someone for a short period that everyone wants, is clearly nonsense.. as proven by the past 2 years.

I want saints to sign staff (and by staff we mean the man setting the strategy of the club), who stay in a job long enough to actually make a difference.

At the point where I don't really care. We'll probably narrowly win, which'll keep Still in a job and we'll plod along for another week.

This is the part I just don't get. We're so far detached from what Still said he was going to do. Has he second guessed himself? Is he struggling to adapt to be the 'big fish'? Either way, we look lost... Ironically, he'd probably be a half decent fit if we'd appointed him in the PL.

Exactly. Its easy to highlight 1 or 2 chances a game and assume a striker should score every single one of them (not even Haaland would do that), but that doesn't highlight the fact the 95% of those games has been completely insufferable to watch.

I genuinely find it incredible that we didn't push to get him back on loan. I could see him being a nice fit down the road at Bournemouth.

well done, in usual fashion you've completely missed the point 👍

Dyche is such a poor suggestion. Maybe he is the type of manager we need (I don't agree personally, I think we need to go back to that "red bull" high-press style), but regardless of that, there is absolutely no way Dyche would have taken us over last season and done any better than Juric or Still has. We simply do not have the squad for a manager such as Dyche, big sam etc.

I'm not sure that is true. As i understand it, Semmens was pushing hard to appoint Marsch and return to a famailr "red bull" style. However, we'd only give him 6 months, essentially because we knew semmens was off and Wilcox would want his own man in a completely different style (i.e possession based). I'm absoultey not willing to die on the hill that SR are perfect model owners. They've got a lot wrong, but they have been royally shafted by the DOF's they've appointed. The fact they've all gone on to top clubs would suggest that they've done something right - or Chelsea / United are incredibly stupid.. I guess both could be right.

yeah, because that has worked an absoulte treat for us since SR came in. Joe Sheilds - 5 months then he was off Jason Wilcox - 8 months then he was off Spors - 8 months, looks to be off. Completely unsustainable for the figure head of our club in a footballing respect to change as frequently as that. Its absolutely no wonder we're a complete basket case.

I honestly find this such an odd take. The window, for me, wasn't terrible at all - its an easy excuse to back a poor manager. Fellows and Azaz have hardly had a sniff in their actual position. Scienza looks brilliant. Jander looks more than capable. As do Jelert and Mads. Quarshie is young and raw, but everyone would have said THB, Edwards, Stephens Quarshie and Wood is more than capable. Downs was a risk has been poor, granted - but again, AA, Archer and Stewart have all been goal scorers at this level It was an oversight not to sign a GK.

Whilst they're similar in terms of playing out from the back, he's much more direct than Lego and has a track record of success to back him up. Personally, I think he's brilliant

Carrick is an interesting one. Experienced at this level and at one point, tip'd for jobs in the PL. On top of this, we'd have the players to suit his system I think. However, really tailed off at the end of his time at Boro (and look how they're doing now) and has been labled as having no plan B. A reactive rather than proactive manager. A steady head, but I'm not sure someone who'd blow us away. For me, I'd be looking at Carsely (if he wants it). Similar in respect of style to Martin, but much much better.