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Whilst I appreciate we need to catch the 4 points up over the season, and we will be judged over the season on our total after the deduction, I think you can fairly consider how we are performing on points gained. We have gained 21 points in 11 games. 1 less than 2nd, 2 less than 3rd. Clearly playing at a level to be in contention. Even with the deduction we are only 6 points off top with better goal difference. Our squad depth will also benefit as the season goes on. Less than 1/4 way through the season. Since the FA ban threat has disappeared 7 points in less than a week, 2 clean sheets. Clearly in the race for autos, as well you know!

He is easily going to be good enough. The majority of teams would have him as a starter. Millwall, a top, physical championship side he was very good. Young players are inconsistent. With Janders return he can now be rotated as we have 4 very good CM for this level.

You are right, English is clearly defined. "An inhabitant of England." (Oxford English Dictionary). So if you want to use the dictionary definition an illegally arriving migrant is English on arrival! I am more comfortable with the citizenship criteria or even being able to play for the national team rules etc. But, I 100% wouldn't tell anyone they can't be English because of what their skins looks like. That is clearly racist and wrong.

Scoring our 5th on Sunday

Makes you think, how many bad people have entered the UK directly due to Brexit.

I am still struggle with balancing the extreme predictions (here and press) with the FA's response to Bielsa. B spied every game TE charged with 3 However, TE comes after FA's warning after Bielsa. The reporting at that time said the FA confirm they would conclude the matter without pressing sporting charges. Instead, they issued a formal warning to Bielsa, Leeds United, and a club analyst. However, the FA made it explicitly clear what rules governed the offense. They cautioned that any similar behavior in the future could prompt formal disciplinary action under FA Rule E3(1). This specific regulation penalizes participants who act improperly or bring the game into disrepute. Because the EFL had already sanctioned Leeds heavily with the £200,000 fine and a severe reprimand, the FA deemed the formal warning sufficient at the time. We have been sanctioned a lot more heavily already by EFL so the FA argument for starting with no punishment is valid. However the aggravating factors of not learning from Bielsa, the new rules , whether they find he bullied staff into it etc, and the public outcry etc will inevitably bring a punishment. I think he will get a ban. My guess is something like 3 to 6 game stadium ban, (maybe if upper end or little longer some suspended) and a fine. This will hit him and the club but is unlikely to be appealed, and also avoids him fighting any loss of employment case. I do think the FA will see the irony of a really harsh punishment could end up being less of a punishment for TE and more saints again, with him moving abroad.

I think those stats are misleading. The BLM protests were generally peaceful, and over a short period - the arrests reflect the exceptions, and of course, when sudden outbursts in large protests could have been higher. The illegal immigrant protests have been over longer periods, involved organised riots, setting fire to hotels, looting shops, and attacking mosques over sustained periods. Over 100 officers injured. There are people who will always join in for violent sport, get too agitated etc, across the spectrum however the nature of the EFL led right wing protests is violent criminals ( Tommy and Tommo) stoking crowds to make money. Police and courts have a long history of right wing bias.

Apologies if I misunderstood your earlier post, but read it as you saying any modern day racism is imagined. It clearly isn't - there is clear evidence that there is significant racism in society, employment, health, education and criminal justice - easy to find many studies and government reports. I don't know your evidence of your views on public disorder sentences, however there are clear matrixes written for sentence guidelines if there is any unfairness there are clear routes to appeal. There will be some sentences which appear unduly lenient / harsh even after sentence - these probably feed your fears - but if you had the full story - when pleas were made, other information supplied to police, previous convictions, impact statements etc - they maybe more understandable. Look at "Tommo", whatever you think of current offence, he has a conviction for a knife point kidnapping in large scale drug supply and committed these recent offences whilst already on bail for other offences included racially aggravated public order, so bail always unlikely.

Just curious, are you white?

Also worth remembering, People say Tonda hasn't been punished yet, this is about him, it also applies to a lesser degree the other way around for any mitigation, this is only about his actions. He is clearly the one at fault, but any punishment will only be for his direct involvement - anything he didn't personally condone / instruct , anyone taking anything further to impress etc can't be included. I don't know whether that will help him in the slightest, as it maybe it's 100% his fault, but just a thought. Also, I notice people getting set on Canada's example - why is this more relevant than Bielsa?

The ambiguous bit is that the FA have not decided this action needs to be banned, (think I am correct but not read everything on this ). Their 20 highest profile managers would not be breaking a rule. Hence EFL already punished us and this being a disrepute vague charge. I would not be surprised with any punishment suggested, but do wonder how justified a huge punishment can be (by them) when it's not deemed worthy of being against their rules? Also, whilst not seeking to play down how bad / stupid it was, I struggle with the outrage some show with the cheat label - as do feel that many of these players / managers will have cheated themselves

3 new attacking for a team who have scored 19 goals in 8 games, hate to think how many other teams need! I often see other forums surprised Dobbin isn't getting more game time but sure, over the season he will and will probably show why we bought him

He couldn't do it again could he?

Same fixtures last season update after 7 Away to watford drew (L) -1 Home to stoke lost (w) +2 Home to Millwall drew (w) +4 Away to Birmingham drew (d) +4 Away to Lincoln (top promoted side) drew (d) + 4 Home Swansea drew (w) +6 Home Bristol City drew (w) +8 So 8 points better off than same 7 games last season. Points earned from first 7 games , 7 last season 14 this

Sad I know, but I looked back at the first 7 games for the best seasons for a goal score over recent years. 26/27 Larin 7 total ? 23/24 Armstrong 6 total 24 19/20 Ings 2 total 22 11/12 Lambert 6 total 27 02/03 Beattie 0 total 23 Potentially the best start ever for a Saints forward? One every other game, from now to the end of the season, would get him to Lambert's championship total. But happy for him to stick with one per game and hit 46