Farmer Saint

Literally not suggesting anything, just asking why they were called "Pakistani" and not "Islamic". That's why I said it was a genuine question. I genuinely don't know the teachings of the Prophet, let alone how some people interpret them, but I guess that's the same with Catholicism as clearly there must be some fucking dodgy interpretations of the bible for them to have so many problems.

A bit like Charlie Kirk that example.

Why weren't they called Islamic rape gangs? Genuine question here.

Yeah, maybe they should have foresaw these murders taking place - twats. Perhaps they should postpone their rally though...

I also said that the Islam faith has more extremists than other religions. We'll agree to agree anyway. What I will say is that we will see an increase in extremist behaviour from all areas over the next few years, thanks to Israel, and the rise of the far right in many, many countries.

Well no, why would it be anything else? I am all about perspective and proportionality. What I'm not doing is criticising or being scared of all Muslims because of a very small percentage of nutters. The same as I'm not scared of all reform voters.

Exactly, you shouldn't conflate the two. Well said Norm, RIP bud.

But I've accepted that multiple times in my comments? I'm not sure what you're arguing here. That Islamic Extremists are more prevalent than others? Yes, we've all agreed with that. However, 25% aren't, and I think we're going to see a huge increase in that.

Because it gives perspective, that's the point. Islamophobia is not the fear of extremists, it's the fear of Muslims. We're all scared of extremists.

You literally said:

Well just let one in 4 other get away with it then, and end up with more Jo Cox situations?

The issue is we are talking about the following: - Number of Muslim's - Number of Muslim's following extremist teachings - Number of Muslim's carrying out attacks based on extremist teachings Each time that number gets significantly smaller, and puts people further away from islamophobia, and closer towards being scared of nutters, which I would say we all are. It's similar to people who support Netanyahu's abuse of the Gazan people because Hamas are (were) in charge.

What is that significant number, because I doubt it is a significant number? What percentage do you think are extremists Islamists in this country?

If in those riots last year someone managed to actually burn a hotel down, that would have killed more people than every Islamic attack in this country combined. It was purely by luck that we got away with that. Nobody is saying that Islamic Extremists are not a problem. That would be stupid. However, extremists in general are a problem, regardless of religion, political leanings etc.

It's because his wife's Muslim.

Ok, but what you're scared of is extremists, not Muslim's, which is wholly reasonable, and you also don't agree with Burkha's. Where you going away to anyway? Have a good time.

You're saying you're scared of Muslims, or prejudice against them due to the amount of islamic extremists. Do you feel the same way about Americans? I'm just trying to drive some perspective here. Islamism by itself isn't a huge issue. Extremism is a huge issue.

Then what are you claiming is the issue you have because I don't know what it is? I think you know why but thanks for being so patronising.

I'm not being patronising, or I certainly don't mean to be. I'm just asking if you were walking down the street and saw someone in a hijab, would you be scared, would you think poorly of them, what?

You are allowed to be. It shows a lack of understanding, but you are allowed to be. What I would ask is why?

Yep, don't disagree with that. There is probably a higher percentage of Islamist extremists in the world that Christian extremists. But as a pure percentage it is still very low, hence why it is the extremists that need to be dealt with. There were 18,000 gun murders alone in the US last year. I would wager that is a far higher percentage of murderers in that society than there are extremist Islamists, and you should be far more scared of Americans than you are of Islamist extremists.

I know, that's why I said this:

The issue is not Islam, the issue is extremists - irrespective of religion/political beliefs. As extremism becomes more embedded in politics we're going to see expansion in this area (see recent Charlie Kirk murder for instance). Let's not kid ourselves - without the horrendous treatment of Gazan's by Israel this would not have happened, and their behaviour will drive a huge amount of Gazan's/Syrian's/Lebanese Muslims to extremist sides of the Islamist faith. However, that's not to say the bloke who carried this out wouldn't have perpetrated other attacks on other people in time. Let's not forget, there are hundreds of millions of practising Muslims who do so peacefully. Extremism is the enemy here. Unfortunately as a world, whether through politics or religion, that is the way we seem to be going, and frankly I don't really know how to solve it.

That's my garden, I have 450 acres of other land, and we have some sheep as you can see below... But no, I have a farm manager who deals with all the day to day. My farm is not for inheritance, we will sell it when we retire which at the moment is in about 10 years time, dependant on when the wife wants to call time on her career.