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Angus Gunn special - shot was well placed but a keeper at any EFL standard should be getting that around the post. Whoever is Saints keeping scout needs sacking given we’ve also signed Gavin ‘National League’ Bazanu. Good with his feet but can’t catch Covid. Combined £30m nearly just in fees pissed up the wall - Man City laughing.😆

Oh I agree, both on a personal level and also living in the SW (just about) in an area that was remain/leave marginal but where there’s a lot of cynicism about Brexit now. I think what she was trying to do is reassure the ‘Red Wall’ areas that they won’t attempt a Jo Swinney and subvert the referendum outcome, but they are going to find it hard to not make even further spending cuts on top of what is already likely, let alone net investment in public services, without some closer links to the EU to enable economic growth. After all, people tend to vote Labour to invest more in public services, not further cuts.

Take it that you are as weary of the debates and various newspaper cheerleading for their bosses as I am. However, the campaigning is still important, not for who wins on 4 July it seems, but for what the formation of the opposition looks like, as that will determine the next few elections. At last nights debate, which was one too many for me, Mordaunt still focused on Rayner, Rayner countered where she needed to but Mordaunt and the Lib Dem’s were clashing more as the Lib Dem’s are more of a threat to the Tories having 80-150 seats and being the official opposition. Seems crazy to even say it out loud, but a You Gov poll an hour beforehand had Reform 1% ahead of the Tories and the Lib Dem’s only 3% behind and a big danger in south and SW. Cooper and Farage focused on Mordaunt, but Penny couldn’t take on Farage in the same way as the Tories don’t want to push any Reform waverers further to them. Flynn and Rayner clashed more where the SNP and Labour are contesting Scotland. Greens and Welsh targeting Rayner over further public sector cuts, as well as Flynn, to differentiate.

They’ve got some other good people there coming through - Reeves, Burnham as well when his second mayoral term finishes, Georgia Gould, Sarah Sackman, Darren Jones (watch him in action at the Post Office and Royal Mail enquiries). Rayner will be interesting to see in government, and you’ve got older hands like Cooper, Miliband, Lammy (not Hypo’s favourite but he got Starmer into the picture on D-Day not withstanding Rishi’s bloopers) and Benn to add some practical experience. Hoping the Lib Dem’s get back to our 50-60 seat levels and bring some fresh talent into Westminster. Davey’s having a good campaign. Tories need to re-generate if they can win 80-120 seats but I can’t see their capable younger elements like Kearns or Atkins wanting to go anywhere near a shadow cabinet led by Braverman or Badenoch, perhaps the latter if she grows up a bit and knocks the boring culture war crap on the head. Someone electable like Tugendhat won’t go near it for a few more years. They will have a lot of hapless, damaged crap left over - Donelan, Braverman, Stride, Truss, Patel (sorry Lighthouse), another ex-PM in Sunak tired and worn out, and then a load of duffers who are Cameron era and well before from the shires. Jenryck the least damaged on the right but if people say Starmer lacks personality… Financially, they are already struggling this campaign and the constant culture wars haven’t helped them. Not surprised some of their right wing are eyeing up Tice’s £££.

The Sky format was SO much better than the ITV debacle and slightly better BBC multi-party set-up. Both leaders did OK, I’d like to see Starmer self-deprecate a bit more - smile slightly at the audience laughter at the toolmaker reference. Sunak got a bit tetchy with Rigby, but dealt with the audience quite well. The trouble is that the Tories are just so unpopular - the ex-Tory local chair summed it up. I also thought when he was listing all of the inter generational pledges, I was thinking ‘that’s far more than you’ve got the funding to do’. Cleverley is digging himself a hole here on the spin segment - they lied, tried to claim the Treasury provided the figures. Two words James Cleverley - Fiscal Drag: my taxes are still going up in the next Parliament. And with the state of our key services, they need to. I thought 55/45 Starmer. Sky/You Gov poll much tougher on Rishi than me, registering 64/36 Starmer/Sunak.

The Sir David Amess murder as well, and the attempted Lib Dem sword attack further back, on the more severe end of the scale. It’s all poor though and shit behaviour.

Farage having to duck again. Fortunately the thrower didn’t have a very good aim this time https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cmjj1n030djo

As Labour found out the hard way in the 1980s, their nuclear disarmament policy from the left cost them many, many votes.

Wow https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cjmmrwexv4ko

Speaking of which https://www.theguardian.com/politics/article/2024/jun/09/crank-tory-candidates-accused-of-sharing-online-conspiracy-theories Reform and Tories kicking off about candidate selections and alleged educements, Nice little sparring in there between Tice and Andrea ‘middle finger’ Jenkyns who is concerned Reform (as well as her huge gob) cause her defeat https://uk.news.yahoo.com/richard-tice-accuses-tories-dirty-104518823.html Reform also dropped two candidates on Friday - I guess C4 did their due diligence for them then! https://www.channel4.com/news/two-reform-uk-candidates-ditched-after-accusations-of-racism-and-religious-hate

Don’t read the Mail but apparently Boris used ‘Sir Kier Schnorrer’ which Robert Peston confirmed is an offensive Yiddish term in the Jewish community for beggar and scrounger. He also from the screenshot used the word gimp. Brexit was a fuck up Boris, your fuck up, you never ‘got Brexit done’, I’ll criticise Sunak on many things but you left him a horrific mess on that topic, and the next government will be cleaning it up further. And to think many Tories want this obese lazy, bigoted (see umpteen examples), oaf to be out campaigning. When I think about the unreasonable pile on Ed Davey suffered as well, I want to see the Tory Party destroyed.

Don’t forget about Priti Patel. Lighthouse isn’t, he bought an extra large box of Kleenex for the election campaign and he hasn’t even broken the seal yet on the box due to the lack of sightings. At least let the bloke have some opportunity to do so in the weeks after 4 July during the leadership campaign. There you go Lighthouse, to get you started, she looks particularly stern in this article and the headline says ‘aggressive’ https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8077495/Aggressive-Priti-Patel-threw-briefing-folder-officials-face.html Cant stand her myself but let it not be said that I don’t do anything to help my fellow Saints fans

Yep, and any advantage they gained is now well and truly eroded into the negative after yesterday. It’s a long enough campaign to take a day with world leaders to commemorate, and it’s the last chance to mark D-Day with survivors, I’ve heard what he’s said to Sam Coates on Sky but I don’t think he still realises the full meaning to the public. It actually makes the £2k item a bit more grubby now after the Treasury pushback and Clare Coutinho being caught out. He got his punch in at the debate but all people will think of now when the ITV interview is screened is that he wasn’t where he should have been. Mercer letting him have some pelters https://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/entry/rishi-sunak-grilled-over-decision-to-leave-d-day-ceremony-early_uk_6662dcb8e4b0bf0f81652e84 Farage in particular will be into this slip up with relish. Starmer getting photographed in discussions with Ukraine PM will rub further salt into the wound. Interesting, I heard on Times Radio that apparently You Gov changed their analysis methodologically just before Farage announced he was standing. Using the old method, it would leave Tories and Reform tied on 18% each they were saying. Best he can do after this episode is finish ahead of the LDs on seats and Reform on the popular vote. Astonished that I’m saying this but not sure either or both those are a given right now. Edit - apparently Angela Rayner’s brother served in Afghanistan. Does Penny now defend using her own naval career tonight, pushing Sunak under the bus further? Would boost her own ambitions post-GE, and maybe first and foremost holding her seat in a military place.

Apologies for posting on a different WW2 thread - hadn’t twigged straight away that there was two - but this one seemed more active on the experiences of those at the time. Thought the experiences of my own grandfathers in WW2 and some Southampton connections might be of interest. Maybe, maybe not!

Both my grandfathers were active in WW2 on different continents - one was a career medic, saved wounded troops, sometimes picked up the pieces, and was always at great risk in theatres such as Dunkirk, El Alamein and Montecasino. Dread to think what he dealt with and saw, and that generation rarely commented on it. I also know that he saw a ship sink which one of his brothers was on, I think in Dunkirk. The other was in Asia, captured by the Japanese and held as a POW on the Burmese railway. Once a champion boxer in the Army, he lost a leg. Was a steward at the Dell in the 1950s and 60s. Gave me his 1976 FA Cup Final mirror. I don’t think he’d appreciate my Honda car ownership! The other served post-war at the Royal Victoria Military Hospital, a remarkable building, until that itself was decommissioned, as was he, in the very early 1960s. Apparently the fighting was so loud during D-Day that it travelled up Southampton Water and could be heard at the hospital itself. Wonderful to see the old boys getting celebrated as they should be in Normandy today and really made me think of them both. As a sad postscript, one of my grandfathers was burgled in the 1990s and had some cash stolen - people who lived in the 1920s and 30s weren’t always fully trusting of banks. That we could replace - but not his war medals from the different campaigns, also taken. How low can you go? The police eventually found them again during a raid - they’d been buried in a suspect’s garden - and the detectives very kindly paid from their pocket to have them restored and re-polished to their original glory. He was never re-united with them…he passed away the week before they were found. The RBL organised with us a wonderful military funeral as he was in service for the best part of 30 years. There’d been a bit of media coverage about trying to get his medals back for him, the members of the public and ex-services folks turning out to salute the hearse will stay with me for the rest of my own days. The medals now are proudly displayed, as they should be. Love them both and very proud of them.

He’s one of the more objective Conservative commentators out there. The £2k figure is being widely de-bunked today but Starmer needs to be better on his feet, I’d have simply interjected ‘so your SPADS claim Rishi’ each time Sunak popped up with it. He did deal with it well later but it shouldn’t have taken 30 minutes. You Gov poll afterwards reckoned Sunak edged it 51/49 which was also my impression of it on the night. The manifestos coming might help Starmer getting the measures across, I think he could have countered more on Rwanda and said ‘the cost is extortionate, our proposals would process x faster, cost y less and finish with the point he did make around reducing the accommodation cost’. He could have expanded slightly on the Border Security Command as well and compared to the VFM of Rwanda. It would mean he was answering the questions more which is an area Sunak was slightly better on. Sunak scored some genuine hits but got laughed at and jeered three times which is unusual. He was too aggressive in the first 40 and tangled himself a few times verbally trying to get too many blows in at one time. Boris could carry it off but Rishi can’t. The other debates will need far stronger presenters than Julie Etchingham - Sunak just ignored her (which took a few points off the hits he did score) and Rayner/Shapps or Michael Green would have really destroyed her on Friday night. Can’t imagine Rigby, Burley or Kuenssberg getting owned like that by Sunak.

Further evidence, as any was needed, that social media is especially a sewer in an election https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c1ww6vz1l81o Some of it was teenagers on a wind-up, but some of it suspiciously like overseas chatbots. Doubt if many, if any, were actual Reform supporters

Yep, don’t agree with throwing things at politicians in a democratic society, but yeah, laughing it off is the best option as he’s done. My favourite reaction was from Arnie when egged out and about: ‘that guy owes me bacon’. Excellent.

Latest polls grim for the Tories - Sky breakdown forecast based on the data seat by seat and when Grant Shapps/Michael Green was phoned to say his seat was at risk, he ended the call! https://news.sky.com/story/tory-support-has-fallen-most-in-areas-where-it-was-previously-highest-mrp-poll-suggests-13147397 Farage obviously thinks Trump will be a busted flush then. Mind you, grumbling about too many students doing social science degrees, anyone willing to guess what Farage’s son studied? He is a character though and more of the Tories focus will now go on fighting him. Which is a problem as the FT reports this morning that three of their major donors have pulled the plug for this campaign. Edit - agree with Whelk that it was a bit underhand of Sky to call Shapps/Green as private and out it in air.

Agree, the only fees will be £8m for Onachu, £3m as agreed on DCC (he was cheap to buy as his reputation was slipping), Perraud similar fee, and Lyanco’s case, dumping the wages would be a result. Whoever thought even at £6m that was a good purchase should never be allowed near professional football again. Of course, the one fee that we don’t want to contemplate is KWP. But the reality is that he only has a year left, at 27 in his prime. Spurs have a £30m buyback apparently should they want to use it but are notoriously stingy and were hoping Leeds won so they could pick him him off for £15m. Now Saints will want £25m at least and rumours of Chelsea interest which might push Spurs up. The best case is that KWP signs a new deal with maybe a relegation release clause for £20m or so, but this has to be part of the equation.

I agree with you, Sulemana might as well stay and be an impact option on the bench. He was a regular through the autumn for Martin, got that bad hamstring injury, Ryan Fraser went from impact sub, scoring vital late goals at Hull and Millwall, to starter and never let anyone else have a look in. Sulemana could play further forward if we’re one down with 25 to go and a side have dropped off. Very disappointing for what £22m, but Rasmus was hopeless. Alcaraz I’d keep as showed some form in the PL last time, but Onachu if grey can get £8m plus full wages take it, and draw a line under it, as he’s a few years older and depreciation eats into the value. ABK they won’t sell unless they get above circa £17m, which they won’t get until clubs are confident his shoulder is fixed. He was at the PO final and I’m happy for him to compete with THB, Jan and Jack, as we’ve got so much other business to do all over the squad.

From a Lib Dem perspective, independent of the main two parties, Starmer has dealt with the hard left better. The Diane Abbott episode has not been good enough I agree. That briefing to the Times was just daft and inflamed things needlessly. As I think Duck said, he’d already proved he’d got the hard left under control by expelling Corbyn, and Abbott has lost the whip for quite some time after those terrible comments. She probably wasn’t standing on health grounds but now is. He’s suspended two others on that wing though who have some repellent allegations against them. By comparison, Sunak has constantly been undermined by Truss in particular, who he should have expelled after she was a nodding dog on a platform where Bannon was praising Tommy Robinson FFS. She beat him in the internal contest and she, Clarke, Jenryck and others have rubbed his nose in it every day since. Every mention of her loses them another 20 seats. If he’d kicked her out, and she’s since appeared on another far right platform which joked about rape https://www.independent.co.uk/tv/news/kemi-badenoch-liz-truss-podcast-carl-benjamin-b2555595.html, he’d have helped detoxify the Conservative brand a lot. Not totally, but limited quite a bit of the damage coming. There was a segment on Times Radio where Matthew Paris said that the Tory hard right will never like Sunak or agree with what he does, so he’d have been better off having a purge like Boris did with the Tory left and centre MPs over no deal. He had the majority to do it. Sunak was too scared of the Mail and Telegraph to wield the 🪓 when needed. That said, I’m pissed off with us and Labour not giving James Bagge a free hit like Martin Bell had in Tatton against another disgraced Conservative. It’s in the national interest for Truss to be humiliated like she did our country. Revenge via the ballot box against her and that other loon Sinclair from the IEA. Braverman goaded him for months to sack her also before he grew a pair, revelling in comments about homelessness being a lifestyle choice for example which appalled everyone cross-party. Anderson was clearly racist towards Khan yet there was days of indecision before giving him the push because he was so scared of the ERG What’s App groups. I would give him some credit for standing up to that lot on smoking, but then he’s timed the legislation out now. BTW, not being pious as Lib Dem’s have their share over the years too.

FBI needs to be tracing every one of those comments threatening jury members and coordinating some dawn raids to get these thugs out of circulation, charged and on the equivalent of remand for a while. Appeasement won’t work with Trump’s movement any more than it did in 1930s. 🇩🇪 If you threaten juries in this country it’s a custodial sentence, the length depending on seriousness of the threats. It’s playing out as I thought, Trump’s base making lots of noise but it’s all the people who were going to vote for him anyway. The 10-15% swing state voters are the key, time will tell but polls consistently showed before the trial that if there was a conviction, voting for him went off the table. Usual morons like Boris and Piers Morgan brownnosing.

Agreed, we’ll need two frontline strikers with Che joining Wolves, AA more of a wide forward and Stewart, well getting him to start a game would be huge progress. The latter has to be a bonus ball as competition who can force his way in with a pre-season under his belt and a view to being match sharp by the autumn. Broja could be the second of those but nearer £15m if it is a permanent deal or loan with an option/mandatory at say 10 PL goals at £20m if the ACL hasn’t robbed him of that change of pace he had. Agree that the club transfer record needs to go on the frontline striker signing, maybe even £30m, if some of the Sulemana outlay can be recovered to help fund it.

Far more serious cases and trials to come arising from his role in the violent facist insurrection on 6 January. I suspect the loonies will rally around him in the polls initially and then reality will dawn over the coming weeks and months in some of the swing states that re-electing him will 1) destroy their entire democratic system and 2) their nation will join the rogue list of Russia, China, North Korea and Iran. The timing of the case was political but the verdict is as damning as it could be. All 34 counts is shattering.