Ludwig

Well, some people on this site still seem to rate a certain Alastair Cook, so it's fair to see the average IQ on here is very low.

I read on another site that there'd been an awesome goal for France. Knew it was Morgan. Damn, I really hope we can keep hold of him.

If we're looking for big names, I don't think we should pass up on Jay Emmanuel-Thomas.

James Harper released by Sheffield United, worth a punt? Pardew connections, though at 29 possibly a little old.

DeMerit really isn't anything special at all, Fonte and Jaidi are both definitely better.

McAnuff was incredibly inconsistent/lazy when at Watford.

DeMerit is not worth the wages he'll want and Hoskins has attitude problems.

Bit small?

I just remembered what dune looks like.

:smt096

Find me a Lib Dem source which claims they want AV.

They haven't asked for AV, they wanted STV, I believe.

No.

I thought it was a referendum on AV they were offering, which is pretty much a nothing offer anyway? Or is this new info?

Why do you feel a hardline right-wing coalition would come to power if PR was passed? Why then, do you and other right-wingers oppose PR, if surely it would serve your interests?

I was under the impression that right-wing supporters always hark back towards the 'glory days' in which the second world war was won, remind me what government we were under? Was the coalition under Lloyd George prior to that, encompassing the first world war, unworkable?

Because they (as they accuse those 'wishy-washy liberals' of doing) are entirely self-interested.

What is your evidence to demonstrate that a coalition would lead to economic collapse? Can we not follow the example of Germany, governing fairly under a PR system, with Angela Merkel still able to be uncompromising on economic issues, recovering faster from the recession than ourselves. What part of coalition necessarily causes economic collapse? Comments about 'democracy' and this being undemocratic are laughable, the fact that in the current with an effective whip system, 60% of voters (let's assume those he didn't vote don't deserve a 'say') can be governed by an effective dictatorship, with the ability to pass bills successfully without too much challenge. That, sir, is undemocratic, how you could argue otherwise is testimony to your blinkered-ness.

Look at the effectiveness of the German system, there's always a working coalition, with 5% of the national vote required in order to hold any seats in parliament. The doom-mongering over working coalitions is quite pathetic, the politicians themselves are somewhat afraid of having to make concessions, but reasoned compromise with everyone forced to pull in the same direction (the country's best interests, rather than their whipped party line) would be far more effective and democratic.

Yes.

We don't think the past has been too awful, so we stick to the past. Have you seen the list of countries in the world which also use PR in some form? You'd notice that, in general, they haven't suffered for it in the way that Tory scare-mongers would have one believe.

Rubbish. The coalition will work long enough to oversee a successful referendum on PR and ultimately ensure the Tories never come into power in this country in the foreseeable future. :partyman:

You mean adult compromise moving towards what is best for the country, rather than the use of an effective whip system in order to tow party lines and see parliament as political point scoring, rather than a way of determining what is best for the country? Ridiculously undemocratic, of course.

Can dune stop spouting complete rubbish in this thread, please?

Sorry, but what is the point made in this post against PR?