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Inmarsat VP - "no GPS, no time and distance information". Industry needs to evolve. Reports every 15 minutes which detail time, speed, direction and position can be done now for $1 per hour. http://bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-26723980

Very neat

Actually it sounds the exact opposite to me. At that location satellite 3-F1 overlaps with 3-F3. They presumably used a new analysis of the ping response times to try to work out the course. If they had GPS that wouldn't have been necessary.

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Would be an astute move. Leeds have the most potential of any club outside the PL (and of many in it) imo.

'kin hell. People do this stuff in real life. I never knew

Which headline refers to her? - 'Fitter or Fatter' or 'Berlin Airlift'?

I'm not sure Wenger is that good anymore. Very few people in any job are consistently at the top of their game for 25 years like Ferguson was. Most reach a peak and then slip into a free-wheeling comfort zone. Thats been Wenger for the past 5 years for me.

Still cant see Pompey being relegated. They've bought in a lot of fringe championship and solid lg1 players. Just how bad would the management have to be to make those players perform worse than everybody else in lg2 bar one?............I know, I know.

Its odd that three countries are reporting debris of very similar size and shape but in different locations. First the US report, then a few days later the Chinese 80 miles south and now the French five hundred miles north. Obviously things drift but not that far that quickly and not in opposite directions.

He's a good manager but needs to temper his preference for playing a certain way with some pragmatism.

Im glad you enjoyed the game. My first Dell trip was 1970 and my dirty secret is that I had a family member who was an apprentice at Pompey - so not too different ... My understanding is slightly different to yours - in that whilst I don't dispute that the plane is capable of determining its GPS location and transmitting that data to the satellite - it is not part of the handshake ping. The GPS handshake requirement for satellite phones (albeit low orbit phones dont require it) is related to a number of factors - a phone is stationary and has a small aerial and weak transmitter - so the satellite needs a fix to determine which spot beam the phone sits within. These factors don't apply in aviation - you cant use / dont need spot beam (akin to a terrestial cell phone structure) because of the planes high speed, more powerful transmitter / aerial and the fact they pay per flight. They use a global beam. The person who told me this is equally credible. That said perhaps I misunderstood what he told me, or perhaps you misunderstood what your contact told you. Like you Im happy to apologise if that turns out to be the case. Thats the beauty of forums.

Nah it was the mass ruck to get the shiny 50p that did it.

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Most Saints fans seem to rank Clyne and Chambers roughly equally but Clyne doesn't seem to be linked with anybody whilst Chambers is signing for everyone.

You have my utmost unconditional respect for the Indonesian incident, which is one of legendary stories in aviation history. Where I disagreed with you, and still disagree is that Inmarsat have a GPS location for the plane. Thats very different from what you're saying now which is that Government intelligence services probably have additional info about the flight. No-one on this thread has disputed that.

The same old 'academy produced young team' angle is getting a bit stale. Obviously Im delighted about the fact - but its getting a bit overexposed and hackneyed - like seeing frigging Helen Flanaghan in the paper everyday.

Technically possible if Malaysian had paid the $10 per flight charge for the service and the pliot hadn't switched the system off

Is it possible to infer from the way in which the aircraft was flown whether it was being flown manually or on autopilot?

Sure, but it doesn't actually make a difference whether the 'contact' works for Inmarsat or some other agency. We are expected to believe that the contact is informed and irreproachable and that the contact says the Inmarsat satellite received an exact GPS fix every hour - but all Inmarsat release is "everybody go search in this huge vague arc". Why would they do that? Why would the security services want them to do that? Not only is what West Stand saying highly technically dubious, its a logical non sequiteur.

Really? Please explain what other interpretations there are to this then: "I have used Inmarsat satellite telephones on many occasions from all over the world and as you know we were recently in the Far East and used the Inmarsat satellite to call the UK. From what I am being told our telephone used the same system and procedure, and from the Far East the same satellite as received the 'pings', to communicate. On switch on the first message on the screen is 'getting GPS fix'. Until this fix is obtained the telephone is useless. When the fix is obtained it tells you that it is connecting to the network, one can then make a call because the satellite knows where you are in the world.I am also being told that the technology and procedure used by ACARS to transmit is similar to that of my satellite telephone, ergo that satellite must have had a GPS fix from the aeroplane associated with each 'ping' received. "

If his source were someone at Inmarsat that would mean Inmarsat have the route and current location of the plane through GPS on their 1996 satellite and they put out the famous arcs and deliberately vague information in order to mislead multi governments and agencies to search in the wrong place? Commercial suicide then. Its the exact opposite of what would happen if governments wanted to conceal intelligence capability - they would pretend the plane was found by commercial satellites rather than by secret assets.

Its the 'Only Fools and Horses' thread.

I think you'll find this is an equal opportunity thread. We're vile to everybody if theres a cheap laugh in it.

No he didn't. He said that the location was known through GPS but was being suppressed, implying the whole search was charade. The 'proof' of that was that his satellite phone call from a totally different location using totally different technology needed a GPS fix to work. He may be an expert on something, but it isn't this.