Matthew Le God

Turkish still not grasping that in order to prove someone is not 100% 'X' all you need to do is provide one piece of evidence showing the opposite.

Nonsense, a red herring and completely irrelevant. God is supposed to be 100% kind and love. All it takes is one line in his holy book that is him being evil to show he is not 100% kind and loving in the book. Hitler is not a god who is supposed to be 100% kind and loving so it is a complete red herring to use that as an example.

What is the harm in saying? I'd like to beleive as many true things and as few false things as possible. Evidence is required to do that... or else you live in a delusional fairy tale world of talking snakes, giants, burning bushes and zombies walking the streets of Jerusalem! Christians say God is 100% loving and kind. One line in the book showing he is not kind is all it requires to show he is not 100% loving and kind. I'd say a global flood genocide wiping out the entire human race apart from one family is a lot more than 1% evil.

This is a nonsense argument. Christians say God is 100% loving and kind. One line in the book showing he is not kind is all it requires to show he is not 100% loving and kind. I'd say a global flood genocide wiping out the entire human race apart from one family is a lot more than 1% evil.

The Bible is the foundation for the religion. If the village priest is not saying being disobedient to your parents should result in being stoned to death then that priest is making up their own moral code and not following the text at the core of Christianity.

Raging Bull, egg and Turkish have done that numerous times in this thread. They have an idea what they think I've said and argue against that... even when I haven't said it.

At no point did I say a lot of modern churches say we should have slaves, rape, genocides etc. But the foundation of the religion is the Bible and the Bible has not changed. Modern Christians have decided to ignore their gods horrific commands. So they are making up their own moral code and ignoring their god's wishes.

God fails that commandment. Killing Egyptian first born children is murder. Killing people in a global flood is murder.

1) God created Adam and Eve - he gave them a test that he knew before they took it they word fail 2) He punishes them and all of humankind for failing a test he 100% knew they would fail 3) God has created humankind in such a way that they **** up, it was another failure by god and he punishes us by creating a global flood genocide and murders most of the species 4) God gives things another go post Noah and ****s up again 4) God sends Jesus to be sacrificed, to act as a loophole for a set of rules over his unfair test to Adam & Eve he created because god loves a blood sacrifice and can't just forgive without a blood sacrifice 5) If such a god exists he is inept at being a creator as he knows the future and still creates in a way that ****s up! Explain what is wrong about that summary!?

The Bible is supposed to be the word of God for Christians. It incites rape, genocide, slavery, sexism, homophobia... if modern Christians ignore those bits then they are not following their religion and are creating their own moral system. If their god existed I'd think he'd be ****ed off that they are cherry picking which of his commandments to follow and which to ignore!

At the foundation of the religion is the Bible, when was the Bible edited so those bits were no longer in it? Does your local priest consider the 10 commandments as relevant today as there were thousands of years ago? The punishment for disobeying your parents is to be stoned to death! Does your priest ignore that bit? 18 If a man have a stubborn and rebellious son, which will not obey the voice of his father, or the voice of his mother, and [that], when they have chastened him, will not hearken unto them: 19 Then shall his father and his mother lay hold on him, and bring him out unto the elders of his city, and unto the gate of his place; 20 And they shall say unto the elders of his city, This our son [is] stubborn and rebellious, he will not obey our voice; [he is] a glutton, and a drunkard. 21 And all the men of his city shall stone him with stones, that he die: so shalt thou put evil away from among you; and all Israel shall hear, and fear. Your priest has decided to ignore those bits, wouldn't God be a bit ****ed off humans don't follow his rules?

The flood in Waterworld was caused by global warming and melting of Ice Caps, the Noah story is a wrathful genocidal maniac god!

This really is nonsense. The Bible is considered the literal word of god by some Christians and Jews. The Bible clearly states God committed a mass genocide where he created a worldwide flood that killed every human apart from a handful. There is no context where global flood mass genocide can be made acceptable. No spin can be made on the Noah story to show it was a kind and loving act to drown innocent people. I'd love to see you try to spin it! The Bible god could be 99.99% kind and loving, but one 1 act of evil removes any claim of him being kind and loving... and there are alot more than 1. So picking out these instances is entirely justifiable as the point is to highlight he is not kind and loving. He wiped out the global population in one story... how the **** is that something to gloss over as cherry picking!

The holy book endorses it. Modern day Christians cherry pick and ignore those bits. But that doesn't make the character of god in the book kind and loving. He is still an evil baby killing monster in the book.

Absolute nonsense. How can something before or after those passages make them acceptable? I've read before and after, nothing before or after makes them acceptable. You think there might be... so what is it? Pick one and explain.

You are digging a very strange hole for yourself here! 1) What could possibly come before or after god saying slavery is ok that would make it acceptable? 2) What could possibly come before or after god ordering genocides is ok that would make it acceptable? 3) What could possibly come before or after god saying rape victims should marry their rapists that would make it acceptable? 4) What could possibly come before or after god saying infanticide of first born Egyptian childrenis ok that would make it acceptable? 5) What could possibly come before or after god ordering genocides of other tribes andkeeping the virgins for yourself is ok that would make it acceptable? You talk about context, but there is no reason a kind and loving god would list these as instructions. You have dug a hole and can't get out of this, there is no context that makes it acceptable.

You are extremely confused, the whole book I was making was the god of the Bible endorses those things. I then quote from the book and you bizarely say I can't use the book as evidence the book endorses those things. I'd love to know what context god endorsing slavery, rape, genocide, infanticide, sexism and homophobia is ok. How on earth can you twist that? The culture and customs are irrelevant, it is supposed to be instructions and stories of god.

What do you think about god ordering his chosen tribe to kill another tribe and keep the virgins for themselves? Or when he instructs rapists to marry their victims? Is that the actions of a 'kind and loving' god?

Because myths and stories about King Arthur and Robin Hood have existed for hundreds of years despite little evidence to support them. Do you think Abraham was related to Noah? Do you believe in a literal global flood genocide story? Yep, you can add Abraham to Luke, Bo, Daisy and Jesse of a list of fictional characters.

I missed out rape... the God of the bible endorses rape! A truly unpleasant character!

I am describing a character in a book, that does not mean I think he manifests in reality any more than if I described the character of Lord Voldemort. Lord Voldemort is less of an evil character than the God of the Bible, he doesn't kill any where near as many people! What is your spin on the Bible passages I posted showing how the character of God endorses slavery, sexism, homophobia, infanticide and genocide?

You ask for evidence that God is a genocidal, sexist, homophobic, rape endorsing evil tyrant. I gave you evidence. Are you still going to deny it? How can you possibly put a positive spin on the most evil fictional character ever created by humankind? He wiped out the global population in a flood ffs... how is that 'kind and loving'? What makes it worse is that if he really is all knowing, he knew that humans would **** up and he'd do the flood. So he is inept as a creator as he failed with Adam & Eve, failed with the global flood, failed with the Tower of Babel and failed numerous other kinds. He is pretty **** at being a God.

Do you think Robin Hood and King Arthur existed?

I haven't seen any compelling evidence that he did. He is supposed to be related to Noah and the global mass genocide flood story is clearly bull****.