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What? How is that relevant?

I've answered this twice already... I have not said he did not exist as a historical figure, perhaps he did or the story of him is a mish-mash of a number of men. What I said is that the claim he existed has not met its burden of proof. Saying it hasn't met its burden of proof is not the same as saying he definitely did not exist as a historical figure. I'm withholding belief until the evidence supports the claim. That is how evidence works!

Ok... what evidence apart from an old book do you have to believe Jesus performed miracles and rose from the dead? Extraordinary claims (like those) require extraordinary evidence... an Old Book is not good evidence, anything can be written in a book.

You are confusing these two... a - Jesus does not exist b - the evidence for Jesus existing does not meet its burden of proof I have only ever said b), not a). They are not the same thing! Saying someone is innocent is not the same as saying they are not gulity. Jury's decide if someone is guilty or not guilty, not if they are innocent or not innocent. The burden of proof is on the person making a claim.

You cited a source 83 years after his supposed death. That isn't good evidence. I'll say it again... I have not said he did not exist as a historical figure, perhaps he did or the story of him is a mish-mash of a number of men. What I said is that the claim he existed has not met its burden of proof as it lacks credibility due to nothing being contemporary and outside the Bible to validate it.

I have not said Jesus did not exist... I don't think the claim has met it's burden of proof. Those are two different things! There is a huge wealth of evidence to support the existence of Julius Ceasar. There is nothing to gain from lying about his existence.

A man with wounds in his hands, is not strong evidence the man in front of you is Jesus. You have a very low bar on the level evidence you need to believe something! Such low bars of acceptance is what leads to brainwashing, indoctrination and gullibility!

1) Faith is the excuse people give for believing in something without good evidence. 2) I don't have faith in anything. 3) I have not said Jesus did not exist... I don't think the claim has met it's burden of proof. Those are two different things!

A random Wikipedia article?

He is not remotely contemporary, 83 years after the supposed life of Jesus! Plus in terms of Jesus... the extraordinary elements of the story require extraordinary evidence... an old book is not extraordinary. Anything can be written in a book, it doesn't make compelling evidence for the miraculous.

Nothing exists from the time of his supposed life, it is only decades later.

Contemporary with his existence, not contemporary with 2019. Nothing exists from the time of Jesus' life, only decades later. So... nothing contemporary!

Contemporary evidence supporting his existence exists. Nothing contemporary for Jesus.

1) I did not wish anyone Merry Christmas in this thread... I corrected Happy Christmas with Merry New Year to Merry Christmas and Happy New Year 2) I did not celebrate Christmas... I visited family and ate food

Explain why I'm wrong about that

18 games to go, and only 6 points above 18th. Arsenal are in a relegation battle at the start of January!

God sacrificed himself... to himself to act as a loophole to a set of rules he created and knew would be broken. That sounds like incompetence to me! Why couldn't he just forgive without a blood sacrifice, why is he obsessed with sacrifice?

We'd need some evidence he even existed as a historical figure. No contemporary accounts of him exist!

Yes, why?

Going to my parent's house, eating a turkey roast and giving presents to people is not in any way religious. It is bizarre you think it is If Christians can impose their nonsense on the 25th December when it used to be the date of older traditions that pre-date Christainity... then why can't other people do the same and use the 25th December for non religious things. You logic is fundamentally flawed. It is not celebrating a religious festival if no prayer, ceremony or mention of God and/or Jesus is used. You are ignoring all this!

No they aren't! A few (of many) horrific examples of the nonsense of Jesus... Jesus say beating slaves is ok... (Luke 12:47) Jesus says that he has come to destroy families by making family members hate each other. He has “come not to send peace, but a sword.” (Matthew 10:34) Jesus criticizes the Jews for not killing their disobedient children according to Old Testament law. (Mark 7:9) What definitions of those words are you using? Atheism is not the absolute certainty Gods don't exist. I don't claim Gods don't exist... I just don't think any God claim has met its burden of proof. The two are very different things!

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Yet again you failed to answer the question! How is it celebrated if there is no mention of God or Jesus, no visit to church, no prayer etc etc. That is not celebrating it. I keep asking you this... and you keep ignoring the question!

When I talked about God endorsing slavery I was not talking about that. I was talking about the Bible outlining the rules on who God allows you to own as a slave, what you can do to them, how long you can own them for etc etc. It appears you have been brainwashed to ignore that part of the Bible! For example please explain Exodus 21: 20-21 and why a kind and loving God thinks it is ok to own and beat a slave as long as they don't die within 2 days. This is a nonsense argument that is fundamentally flawed. Low odds of something happening does not mean it can't happen. The odds of winning the lottery are low, it doesn't mean people don't win it. If the distance from the sun, atmosphere etc you talk about was different... how do you know that wouldn't allow for the conditions for a different form of life? The tornado jumbo jet analogy does not work, you appear to have a fundamental misunderstanding of planetary physics and how evolution works. Believing with no good evidence that in a universe of trillions of planets you are part of God special tribe on one tiny planet is just bizarre.

Go on then... explain the purpose of the first page of Matthew!