Matthew Le God

Neither of them exist. But I have yet to see a photo of God, where as...

So it is okay for a creator not to have creator, but not okay for the universe not to have a creator?

Single electronic orbitals in a molecule were recently imaged by high speed lasers: http://www.nature.com/physics/highlights/7020-3.html A single electron trapped in a quantum dot detected: http://adsabs.harvard.edu/abs/2005AIPC..772..775S http://adsabs.harvard.edu/abs/2005cond.mat.10269G At least they are testable through scientific method, rather than blind faith using prehistoric and bronze age myth to explain things early man couldn't understand.

When I said "infinite regression", I was referring to what created the creator. If you use the logic as you did that something complex needs a creator, the creator himself is complex - why doesn't he need a creator? At which point the original logic collapses.

Why is that hard to believe? There are billions of planets where it didn't happen. If you play the national lottery and you don't win the jackpot, does that mean that no-one has won the jackpot. Unlikely doesn't mean impossible. If God is such a great life creator why do most of the billions of planets he created not support life? So many planets empty of life shows that life is a fluke, Earth just got lucky.

Using God as the plug to a gap in knowledge of the creation of the universe doesn't answer the question of infinite regression it creates.

There are billions of planets in the universe without life on. Just because something is unlikely doesn't mean it is impossible. The odds of winning the lottery are small, it doesn't mean people don't win the lottery. Earth is a planet that won the life lottery, billions of other planets didn't. We can only have this discussion because earth did win the lottery, if it didn't then we wouldn't, but that doesn't mean another planet wouldn't have the conditions needed.

Why so many thousands of different religions all over the world and throughout time then? They can't all be right, they can all be wrong, and thus shows religion is a man made concept.

So you are saying because something is complex it is plausible that there is something intelligent designing it? Thus the designer must also be complex, yes? If you follow through your own logic you have now started an infinite regression.

Why are all humans "bloody amazing" as you claim? How is that evidence of God?

Why is it "perfectly plausible"? You have missed the point of the analogy.

That isn't preaching, he ignored an important counter argument to one of his points (possibly because he couldn't give an answer that sustained his viewpoint) and thus more convenient to ignore it and discuss another point.

Is that the sole reason you believe in God? Why is it a miracle? Yes, the odds are tiny, but tiny odds doesn't mean impossible. The chances of winning the lottery are small, but someone often does. If you weren't born you wouldn't be able to say the odds are tiny. So you are a Christian, but pick and choose which bits you like and which bits you don't? Why are you a "Christian" and not one of the thousands of other religions that have been created throughout human history al around the world? Is it because your parents brought you up Christian?

You haven't responded to the celestial teapot argument that was used to counter your earlier points.

Does an inept designer deserve praise from his creations? That is quite a generalisation. No human is the same, many have been created with far weaker "designs" than others, the overwhelming majority of our species throughout time haven't seen their 5th birthday. Some design...!

I don't know. But to answer it with God to plug the gap in knowledge just starts an infinite regression.

More interesting to turn that question around... Why did he want them dead?

Many Christians use the human eye as an example of intelligent design. Why if the Christian God is such a great designer did he make me (and many others) short or longsighted? If he existed, he is either incompetent at his job or evil. Certainly not competent or good.

Can you explain what evidence you have seen of this?

Post #119 Did you watch the video about the teapot? How intelligent/competent is this God you speak of? He has created an earth which has seen over 99% of all species become extinct? That is just looking at earth, why has he made the rest of the universe lifeless (although it is unlikely to be completely lifeless)?

Point 3), there is plenty of evidence the God of the Bible doesn't exist. What makes you think there isn't? As for point 4), if God really is all powerful he could quite easily show he exists. However he only "reveals" himself throughout time largely to those from Christian families or come into contact with them. He is inept at spreading his message. You points 5) and 6) can be summed up by this... [video=youtube;_AXBvmd-xcw]

You do if you want others to follow the same faith. For example... What proof do you have that Christianity is the correct religion that you/will you show your children? Will you just force them to be Christian? Why should they be Christian like yourself rather than any other religion (or none at all) just because you are Christian? If you were born into a different family in a another part of the world or era, you would have the faith of that region in that time. It makes a mockery of the whole faith idea. Many religions dependant largely on what family, region and time you were born into shows that it is human made. If there was one true religion it would be worldwide and the same throughout time.

You have completely lost me now. So what if the world uses Jesus' birthdate for the calendar? How is that evidence for the existence of God? There have been thousands of recorded Gods throughout human history, not just in the Middle East 2,000 years ago and many other calendars.

The onus is on you to prove he... 1) did exist 2) performed miracles Not on us to prove he didn't, as we aren't the one making the supernatural claims. I doubt you can do either 1) or 2). There are countless stories of "Messiah's" in the middle east, many of which predated Jesus, many of which had similar mythologically and tales surrounding them. Virgin birth, healing etc are not all unique to Jesus! You have just picked one of many "Messiah's" from that time.