I wasn't saying it to state the obvious, I was saying it because I disagreed that Guly and Chaplow weren't new signings like Duncan said. This is a forum for discussion after all isn't it? They are new signings because until they were signed permanently, they weren't going to play for Saints for the rest of the season. Yes that is obvious, but some seem to think we haven't spent in the window or strengthened. Signing Guly and Chaplow are improvements to the squad because until they are adtional to what the squad would have been if they left at the end of their loans.