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With the exception of Frankie Vaughan I don't think any of the others are that bad?

Has to be.

Most rape is by someone the victim knows, and a high percentage of that is by family members, so for the majority of rape victims it really doesn't matter what they are wearing on any given day.

I'm not condoning this at all but this is exactly what most of the public sector is saying. The police, education (NHS is slightly different) but everyone is saying the same thing - you can't expect to do more with less. The common (mis)conception is that we can achieve cuts and produce the same or better performance by cutting out waste - that's not the case and in my experience the waste is at senior management levels anyway, and as they hold the purse strings they're unlikely to be touched. I'm sure that's as true in the MOD as it is in the rest of the public sector.

Fair play you miserable old git! Hope you live long enough to enjoy the season......of course I'm joking. It's all part of the banter and as long as no one takes it too seriously then there's no problem. I hope you do get a S/T and enjoy another promotion.

Well, as I say, I wasn't there but it does seem as if your generation got "lucky" on quite a few instances. It's really not the point though - I'm not going to convince you that the concession is unmerited and you won't convince me otherwise either. It's been fun trying though. Obviously when we deal with generalisations then we forget the exceptions - just as the "yoof", "the immigrants" etc get labelled then the baby boomer generation should also be victim to it. It would make an interesting topic in the lounge. Of course I sympathise with anyone who finds it hard to buy a S/T - it's not nice and I'm not totally heartless, it's just that you and miserable have tried to come across as more deserving of a concession when most people are struggling. It doesn't help when anyone who objects is classed as ignorant, selfish, hasn't a clue etc. Anyway, I hope you do get a S/T.

No, sorry, but what you wear doesn't predicate the likelihood of being raped and there are no published facts to suggest they do.

Oh come on! We've managed to go from a concession to the baby boomer generation being advantaged and generally evil - that's quite a circular journey.

Were you not the first generation to enjoy disposable income and certainly on a scale unlike your parents? I wasn't there, no, but that seems to be the consensus of opinion. I'd debate that as it has been prefixed constantly with "morally". Either way a point of pedantry is a strange way to make your argument - you've been spelling entitlement wrong for most of the thread. Edit: Sorry got the wrong old person - Whitey can spell entitlement.

But no one is actually putting up a defence of this are they? It's clearly and obviously a stupid claim - in fact this could be the only time when pretty much everyone is in agreement. I'll gladly debate anyone who thinks otherwise but it won't take long.

Thanks for explaining the blatantly obvious. What other tricks do you do? Of course it's up to the club to decide what concessions they offer and I didn't moan when you got one. I'm just objecting to you moaning when it's taken away. Oh and yes, morally entitled and deserving in this context mean the same thing.

I take it you don't have an argument? And there have been many books on just how lucky your generation has been - you should read one. Easier to moan, accuse people of being ignorant and selfish though isn't it?

You really don't get the fact that I don't feel you are morally entitled to a concession do you?

It's interesting note the advantages this generation has had: Didn't fight a war (or have national service) First generation to become "teenagers" and get disposable income Access to free Higher Education Advantage of a cheap property market Advantage of the right to buy council house scheme Ability to buy shares in nationalised industries that we owned Presided over a reduction in working hours Obviously I'm generalising here but in many ways this has been the "lucky" generation. You could also add in that many of them have inherited their parents estates due to lower life expectancy whilst their children will have no such luck. Personally I think this has been a rather moaning generation, keen to ignore the obvious benefits they've had. In this case they cling rather pathetically to a loophole of sexual equality to ensure a concession most of them were not morally entitled to. They seem keen to point out how hard they've worked, forgetting of course that this isn't exclusive to them. It's typical though that once they get something taken away they moan whilst the rest of us struggle with higher property prices and increased job insecurity. Ironic that they should accuse anyone of "I'm alright Jack".

Understand the price rise so no problem there - not so sure about the bit about entitlement so you'll need to explain that. Not sure how many times I can explain that I don't think you're morally entitled to a concession though. I've already explained countless times as well that you should have been notified earlier.

Agree with all this and the problem is that often even if you did attract a player like that then they are not motivated and don't really care. There are obvious exceptions but it's a huge risk.

Can't argue too much with that but I'd have Jimmy Case in there instead of Lallana, who could then fight it out with Armstrong.

I think it's probably because there's actually no argument here. I don't think apart from the OP that anyone believes how you dress should or does affect the chance of getting raped.

The funny thing is I'm not ignorant of your situation (you've told us often enough about it), it's not nasty - it's putting it into context, it's certainly not selfish because I have nothing to gain. I just happen to disagree with you - you'll find this happens and the older you get (so I'm told) the more often it will happen. I sympathise but there's not much I can do about the aging processs.

OK, substitute it for the reduction that you did get (I used that figure because it's the one you constantly quote) . The point still stands. Please don't call me a complete knob - it's unbecoming for a man of your advanced years.

I think all working people aged 24-45 should get a 72% concession for a few years and then the club should cruelly, viciously take it away from us. That's the only way we'll be able to understand the quite justifiable gripe of the nearly but not quite retired.

That started off as a promising joke but tailed off towards the end.

Because I've already explained that women who fall into the category of having been forced into retirement only to find that the age has risen should receive the concession - and that's the only thing you've got to argue with isn't it? Clinging to the coattails of a concession designed for women - not for you. I hope you enjoy your newly liberal, politically correct camp now.

I explained this in an earlier post. Full time students don't work so yes, they deserve it. To be honest, no, I don't think you should get a concession if you're unemployed.

You don't have to look far to see where you've said you are entitled to it. Memory not so great eh?