Odds with the traditional bookies are one thing but the market on Betfair is another - when the nonsense stories about Zenga, Carvalhal etc broke and they were added to the market it didn't matter if I put up 5/1, 10/1, 20/1 there were no takers. I just put up £100 at 2/1 on JK and it went in a flash. Rightly or wrongly, someone is convinced it is happening....