Give it to Ron

Thanks for that and some reasonable points but I disagree totally about subs...I still cant fathom the Gillett one versus wednesday who were just pumping high balls forward when we had better options on the bench IMO. Coventry at home where we had players dead on there feet and bombarded our area and only changed after they had scored and Plymouth at home where we drew 0-0 and had Pearce sat on the bench and could of thrown him up front for the last 10 or so. Thats just 3 from memory but of course I have the hindsight of results but felt at the time he was wrong. I still feel he could do a job here but not as first team manager unless he got in someone more experienced here to help as Gorre hasnt shown much yet.

Just a simple question Adrian - have you attended many home games this season? This is not a ****ing contest but just interested to see what you base your thoughts on of him doing a good job. What is it that impresses you his tactics, substitutions, formations? Genuinely interested. Because personally he has cost us as many points as we have lost by silly decisions and tactics and even had Sundance questioning him and advocating bringing in Dowie as help.

Your post is so contradictary though, you say that you are very supportive of what Wilde and Crouch are doing then go on to say we should be like Palace! The main difference is that Palace didn't go for some mental Dutch experiment but employed a manager in Warnock that knew how to get results in this league. Like a lot of Lowe apologists the kids excuse cannot be used here either given that Palace squad have younger players than ours! That is something you cannot blame Crouch for but that mental egotist you follow so blindly. Had we not ****ed up the wall what little money we had on loan and agent fees on Pulis, Gasmi, Smith, Forecast, Robertson and Gorre we just might of been able to recruit the experienced players you mention.

[QUOte I am not saying that Burley did not have his faults, but like him or not he did manage to get us into the play off in his only full season and would have made Cardiff it it wasn't for a couple of crap penalties. Hardly the stuff or unmitigated failure. He then lost three of his better players for the next season. Hardly an ideal situation from which to build another promotion push. To blame him for what is going on now is plain nonsense. We have had three sets of managers since he went, and when he went we were still a couple of wins away from the play offs. The reason we are where we are is because we have no money. I can't quite make out whether you are on a wind up of posters or are serious as you keep missing most peoples point about Burley. Burley had such a good squad of players that we should not of needed to get to the play offs - we should of been automatic. Had we not wasted the whole pre-season ignoring our main frailty which was the centre of defence(something nearly every manager bar Pearson has done) coupled with actually showing some interest and understanding what a substitute is for then perhaps some of us would hold Burley in higher regard. Do you remember Watford at home 2-0 down with 20 minutes to go and bringing on sub 3 minutes left? What about the game we were 0-0 and Saga in injury time?

I used to remember Arlott for his brilliant cricket commentries from the old county ground in Northlands Rd.

Can anyone else remember Quiz Ball and Saints being on there. Thrashed Leeds ;-) a great childhood memory. I just gave myself a shudder when I saw that name McLaren again who was probably the worst keeper we have ever signed. http://www.btinternet.com/~m.d.pratesi/mp/quizball1966.html RIP David.

With the resources he had available to him in the division he was playing in I would think he would be!

Redknapp closely followed by Burley as I jumped for joy when we got him and jumped for joy when he left. Complete lack of interest coupled with some of the worst team selections I have ever seen like Watford at home with 6 players playing on their 'wrong side'.

Come on DT the guy had how many posts to his name yet you still fall for all this crap? http://www.guardian.co.uk/sport/blog/2009/jan/07/west-ham-newcastle-football-finances In that environment, and with the financial world bracing itself for the inevitable next hideous shock, Harris said those who might have taken a punt on English football's glittering global "brands" have become suddenly more cautious. "You can't force a club down somebody's throat," he said. "They have to really want to buy it. They may expect to make money out of a club ultimately but a football club is a trophy asset, for enjoyment. Confidence is dented everywhere and I do not see much activity on takeovers until we get some form of stability in people's minds."

Come on DT the guy had how many posts to his name yet you still fall for all this crap? http://www.guardian.co.uk/sport/blog/2009/jan/07/west-ham-newcastle-football-finances In that environment, and with the financial world bracing itself for the inevitable next hideous shock, Harris said those who might have taken a punt on English football's glittering global "brands" have become suddenly more cautious. "You can't force a club down somebody's throat," he said. "They have to really want to buy it. They may expect to make money out of a club ultimately but a football club is a trophy asset, for enjoyment. Confidence is dented everywhere and I do not see much activity on takeovers until we get some form of stability in people's minds."

But thats what this club does....Stuart Gray, Wigley then Dodd/Gorman now JP/Gorre/ Wotte and still lessons are never learn't by those running us are they?

Is that anything to do with 1 win at home some shocking tactical decisions that cost us points or the fans not banging drums and blowing trumpets?

Not from my area of the Kingsland its not and just as loud and passionate as anywhere else. Ok we dont sing constant puppet on a string songs like the kids do but somje of us dont feel the need to chant about the Skates every two minutes and only join in or start Saints songs.

At St Marys every week there are loads of qualified coaches from all levels all can see what is wrong. Unfortunately not many of us were good enough to be nutmegged in a World cup match ;-) but suggest that 1 win at home all season this is irrelevant anyway. A blind man and his dog knows its the formation and personnel that is wrong at home. JP needs to raid Holland again for a tall, strong, cheap centre forward.

more like 16:57 when the final whistle blew.

Problem is we have been really bad lately and that has seen us fall into the bottom three with no signs of relief. Forest at home was abysmal and followed by us not turning up against Man U saw morale hit rock bottom. Saga and Saijs has lifted the gloom a bit - tonite like every time we win I am bubbling but tempered with the usual 'one swallow doesn't make a summer' but onwards and upwards hopefully with a good run of wins for a change.

So what is your priority then the team winning and celebrating 3 desperate points or having a pop at other fans that are not as happy clappy as you. This is a message board that allows us an outlet to vent our frustrations at the inadequacy of how we are run and have been. Just because some are happy to sit and accept all the crap and bull**** spun by Lowe and his band of cronies doesnt mean we dont care about the team and by the way my 2 ST's mean I do go and support the team.

They didnt it was 0-0 suggest you get your facts right befor having a pop.

OH why dont you **** off there is not one fan on here that wants to see us in this desperate situation. Every true fan of Saints wants us to be back in the Prem and winning again and above the Skates. What has happened to this club in the last 3 years is criminal and Lowe, Wilde and Crouch have a lot to answer for but tonite lets all celebrate 3 points as we havnt had the chance to do that much. To gloat and bicker when we have battled and got 3 points is meaninless and stupid. Well done JP I am one of your biggest critics but sounds like the team selection and subs worked well done.

You still peddling the Dailly crap did you not get enough fun from the Karsten Jancker thread and want a re-run?

50p Head Powell has made a career out of that..well that and the treatment table.

How the hell can you preach(edit - post - preach may not be right here) Lowe and long term in the same sentence? What is long term under old rosey cheeks - 10 managers all leaving for their spiritual home in those 10 years was so unlucky I guess. Of course the fans want success on the pitch and bringing an untried Dutch coach into a team of untried youngsters knowing most of the experienced players were out of contract or forced out is bordering on insanity IMO. A good businessman does not alienate his customer base he did not have to come back and run it in person and there are many other people able to run a club like ours who could report to him if required although the Lowe apologists can never ever see this. Would you believe anything the club says right now after the Saga clearance fiasco?